Hey Piotr, would it be possible to change the trade system, you have to provide a valid credit/debit card number to 1 prove your age, 2 provide compensation to the victim if they are stolen from? That way, people like sparkle and Slenderbro can't just rip someone off, and it keeps all the kids that rely on their parents from trading unless their parents know about it.
I feel like that would solve 95% of trade problems. People wouldn't rip other people off, people would start sending with tracking, and they would package them correctly.
Unfortunately this is a large request that doesn't generate any of the revenue it would require to run in. We're talking legal ground here with acquiring credit cards.
Tracking is the best overall for peace of mind.
For new users, make small trades first and establish credit
Older traders have the reputation, so new users try to trade with them first to build up yours.
And as always: do not trade what you cannot afford to lose
I made the mistake of sending first to a new trade user and it has resulted in drama, fortunately, I can replace the urza lands
People will always find ways around it, what would you do if they simply started claiming that they never received their end and steal cards that way? Not everybody uses tracking (myself included so take advantage of me 😏)
I don't have a bank account or paypal account. It would ultimately hurt the trading section if credit cards were required.
What about people like me, I don't own (and never will own) a credit/debit card.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 12, 2014, 05:45:01 PM
I don't have a bank account or paypal account. It would ultimately hurt the trading section if credit cards were required.
Yeah Taysby you also want to consider that some Sony want to ruin their credit score so don't want to get a credit card. I'm with spence on this that its a bad idea
Better yet let's also do social security number
*young chick walks into bank* Yeah, I'm totally Piotr Farbvrewski, idiots
I completely disagree with this. Where I can see your point I think you need to look at it from everyone's perspective. I myself do not have a credit card an frankly never will. Also who cares if the people are under 18? If you play magic and you have cards that are needed I don't see the problem.
If you don't trust the person, simply have them send first, go through a middleman, or find a trade elsewhere.
I wont get on this app again if this Credit/Debit card thing is implemented. Especially if my social is required. There is no reason to have it on a trading card app.
Dont trade what you can't afford to lose. End of story.
Plenty of minors here are great traders. It's just a pattern that Flakey senders are usually minors. We've had adults rip people off (Kuberr/ertai)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 12, 2014, 07:23:12 PM
Plenty of minors here are great traders. It's just a pattern that Flakey senders are usually minors. We've had adults rip people off (Kuberr/ertai)
With that said, the adult scammers usually go for broke.
"The idea is good"
I lost it, bahaha. 😂
You couldn't have had that follow up an, "I don't mean to toot my own horn, but-" ?
Taysby wants our credit information!!
Bringer of the mark of the beast!!
The mark of the beast!! Don't you tattoo a barcode on me!
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
I would assume that it would be safe on piotrs servers, and only he can get to them.
Something should change, and if someone has a better idea, I'm all ears. This was just a suggestion.
How about... We don't do what you're suggesting! Great idea if I do say so myself.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 12, 2014, 09:13:17 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
I would assume that it would be safe on piotrs servers, and only he can get to them.
Something should change, and if someone has a better idea, I'm all ears. This was just a suggestion.
How about... We don't do what you're suggesting! Great idea if I do say so myself.
word
If Piotr is about protecting people's privacy
Your idea is way on the other end of the world my friend
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:25:47 PM
So leave it so more theft is bound to happen? Seems good. :P
It's called middle man and making them send first if not trusted
As Piotr has said many times
None sent?
No victim no crime
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
If the person doesn't like it, they don't have to use the trade system.
Maby a forum for people who did it, and one for people who didn't, so that way, the people who wanted protection could have it, and the people who didn't care could use the other one?
that would be time consuming on iMTG employee ends
And too much monitoring
So neither of these ideas would work unfortunately
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:25:47 PM
So leave it so more theft is bound to happen? Seems good. :P
Haha you'll never stop it. Try as you will, people will find workarounds. Short of holding them at gunpoint until you get your cards, it'll still be a risk. Just use what's at your disposal (middleman, tracking). If they refuse, nix the trade. Purty simple. Giving my debit card number out? No thanks. 😉
Kuberr had several trusted trades, though mlerner and slender never actually stole cards. They just took way too long, lied, and were jackasses.
Greed affects people differently
You can be trusted then all of a sudden want that one card
Have them send first and never send or lie
If you dont feel comfortable with it
Just dont do it
Simple as that
Not trying to rain on your parade
But the cc and dc ideas are privacy protected and 2 different trade forums is too much work.
Quote from: donnie355 on June 12, 2014, 09:41:27 PM
Beware next trader that trades with me. I want 1) Blood Sample
2) Urine Sample in which llama will gladly test
3) Hair Sample and yes I will test for Mary Jane
4) Your right testicle unless your a female and then..... Well I guess your off the hook.
No serious it sounds good but you'll lose more traders than gain due to several reason. Age, don't have one, don't trust site, etc....
would you take the left one instead?
I'd like to refer back to the part of the trade rules that states not to trade what you can't afford to lose. We know that it is a risk trading online. It has been stated so many times. And piotr's already said that there's not much he can/will do....
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 11:18:52 PM
But if there's a way to fix a problem, why not try and solve it?
Because by fixing the problem your way you cause other problems.
People sure are acting like douche bags on here lately. Taysby is simply trying to find a way of making it safer for people to trade on here. I agree his idea won't work in practicality, but is it REALLY such a HORRIBLE idea? I get what your saying Taysby, the problem is that we are then entrusting our financial livelihood to a single mans computer. Look at all the computer hacks that have led to credit info stolen (target, hannafords, Sony, need I add more?). What makes us think that it'll be safe in piotr's laptop? Just don't know why there is so much damn animosity with everyone lately. Let's be a family again. It seems like one person jumps on someone and there is always 6 more ready to kick him in the nuts (or no nuts in the case of sparkle). Idk, maybe it's just me. <end rant>
Quote from: Wingnut on June 12, 2014, 11:44:05 PM
People sure are acting like douche bags on here lately. Taysby is simply trying to find a way of making it safer for people to trade on here. I agree his idea won't work in practicality, but is it REALLY such a HORRIBLE idea? I get what your saying Taysby, the problem is that we are then entrusting our financial livelihood to a single mans computer. Look at all the computer hacks that have led to credit info stolen (target, hannafords, Sony, need I add more?). What makes us think that it'll be safe in piotr's laptop? Just don't know why there is so much damn animosity with everyone lately. Let's be a family again. It seems like one person jumps on someone and there is always 6 more ready to kick him in the nuts (or no nuts in the case of sparkle). Idk, maybe it's just me. <end rant>
If credit cards were required, many trusted trader and a few veteran traders, like myself, wouldn't trade here. I don't have a credit card. A lot of people don't have credit cards.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 12, 2014, 11:55:07 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on June 12, 2014, 11:44:05 PM
People sure are acting like douche bags on here lately. Taysby is simply trying to find a way of making it safer for people to trade on here. I agree his idea won't work in practicality, but is it REALLY such a HORRIBLE idea? I get what your saying Taysby, the problem is that we are then entrusting our financial livelihood to a single mans computer. Look at all the computer hacks that have led to credit info stolen (target, hannafords, Sony, need I add more?). What makes us think that it'll be safe in piotr's laptop? Just don't know why there is so much damn animosity with everyone lately. Let's be a family again. It seems like one person jumps on someone and there is always 6 more ready to kick him in the nuts (or no nuts in the case of sparkle). Idk, maybe it's just me. <end rant>
If credit cards were required, many trusted trader and a few veteran traders, like myself, wouldn't trade here. I don't have a credit card. A lot of people don't have credit cards.
I agree man, I wouldn't either (both of my trades so far). It literally does come down to simply, don't ship something you can't afford to lose. If you need rock solid trades, you gotta do it in person. There will always be risk in shipping cards to someone, ALWAYS.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
Or debit card, or paypal. Just making sure my system was understood.
There are probably options for safe places to store credit card info. Like paypal has my bank account number and access, yet it is perfectly safe. I'm just trying to get ideas starting to flow to solve this issue.
And thanks for that, have a +1 for kindness.
I get what your saying, it could even be an optional thing where the person is classified as "insured", and insured person can trade with uninsured, but it's at your own risk. Or you can simply only trade with "insured" people. Completely voluntary, your simply known as a person that is willing to put his money in the line to prove his integrity.
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2014, 12:04:27 AM
So let's do nothing and have 5 thefts/problems in the next year instead of doing something and only having one theft/problem in the next year?
Listen man, I'm on your side. I agree with you, but it's hard to put it into reality, that's all. Just curious, how many actual thefts have we had that we know of? Yeah, a bunch of "it took too long to ship", but what about actual "your not
Gonna see your cards rot in hells"?
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
If the person doesn't like it, they don't have to use the trade system.
Maby a forum for people who did it, and one for people who didn't, so that way, the people who wanted protection could have it, and the people who didn't care could use the other one?
So this way you willbe in one forum by yourself, and the rest of us will continue our trading here
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2014, 12:04:27 AM
So let's do nothing and have 5 thefts/problems in the next year instead of doing something and only having one theft/problem in the next year?
5 problems/thefts per year isn't a horrible
Number considering the number of members and trades that take place on here. In everything that has risk, it's inherent that there will be problems. You just need to be cautious. I've lost out on 2 $75 trades on here and still trade here. I accept the risk that it is and will only trade what I can afford to lose. I'm here to support to community.
I definitely wouldn't give anyone my financial information. Paypal does have financial information but I guarantee that paypal is far superior as a company and far more organized and legally prepared to handle everything required for the financial stuff.
I think the bottom line is to deal with the members you fell comfortable with and only trade what you can afford.
Taysby, I just want to put this out here.
I've been trading ..... Let's say "heavily" on this forum with new and veteran traders for the better part of four years.
And I've only been ripped one time, on my very first trade.
Because I'm careful. Very careful. If people use the suggestions already in place you won't get ripped.
Non trusted traders and new people need to send tracking and send first.
High value trades need to use middle man service unless it's someone you absolutely trust.
If your so desperate for a card that you trade valuables with someone who seems like a good trader but turns out isn't. It's most likely your own fault.
Every other forum does trading the same way, this one is just easier because we have an instant entrance via the app.
Don't try to shortcut the shortcut. Because honestly I constantly try to think of more safe ways for everyone to trade also, I think I had a similar thread to this at one point as well. But as things stand it's not viable to bring people's finances on board.
However if you wanted to personally ask for their phone number beforehand, that may work.
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2014, 10:27:07 AM
How about just a database for a working phone number, and an address. (That would be what it's shipped to). That way, you can for sure contact them, and the don't jump between addresses so you don't know where to send the cops if that problem occurs. It's not the best solution, but it's something.
This is much more reasonable, I think you should speak to moderators about this, I think they already have something in the way of tracking addresses, if they wanted to add numbers and keep them confidential that is a new possibility for those who want to forthcome with them. Considering you have to have some sort of idevice with internet i would like to assume the most of us are using iPhones already meaning a large portion of traders do have numbers.
Some people are too young to have a credit card. Does that mean that people at my age couldn't trade? Haven't had a bad trade yet, and I'm like 15 deep. And I'm 13 (well, in 2 weeks)..
Note: I didn't read the 4 pages of text. My comment is probably outdated...
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 13, 2014, 11:02:38 AM
Some people are too young to have a credit card. Does that mean that people at my age couldn't trade? Haven't had a bad trade yet, and I'm like 15 deep. And I'm 13 (well, in 2 weeks)..
Note: I didn't read the 4 pages of text. My comment is probably outdated...
You speak well for being 12 years old!
Quote from: blackychan1 on June 13, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 13, 2014, 11:02:38 AM
Some people are too young to have a credit card. Does that mean that people at my age couldn't trade? Haven't had a bad trade yet, and I'm like 15 deep. And I'm 13 (well, in 2 weeks)..
Note: I didn't read the 4 pages of text. My comment is probably outdated...
You speak well for being 12 years old!
Why thank you. Most people in real life think I'm 14-15, and on the internet, it's a range from 14-18.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 13, 2014, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on June 13, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 13, 2014, 11:02:38 AM
Some people are too young to have a credit card. Does that mean that people at my age couldn't trade? Haven't had a bad trade yet, and I'm like 15 deep. And I'm 13 (well, in 2 weeks)..
Note: I didn't read the 4 pages of text. My comment is probably outdated...
You speak well for being 12 years old!
Why thank you. Most people in real life think I'm 14-15, and on the internet, it's a range from 14-18.
I'm 13, however, I'm not 5 feet tall so most people call me 11 years old. >.>
I'm 5' 7", have the lowest voice in my school, and am built like a foot ball player. That helps...
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 13, 2014, 12:06:18 PM
I'm 5' 7", have the lowest voice in my school, and am built like a foot ball player. That helps...
So you are essentially my exact _opposite_, except in age.
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2014, 12:04:27 AM
So let's do nothing and have 5 thefts/problems in the next year instead of doing something and only having one theft/problem in the next year?
Well that's a big assumption
Taysby. What do you think this would cost to implement? You cry that tcg taxes you too much so you don't want to use them. They have several trades to make money off of to pay for their overhead. How much do you think it would cost one person to charge to watch over trades.
Hey man good idea trying to make stuff better but is it worth spending thousands of dollars to save five bucks.
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 12, 2014, 08:55:55 PM
Taysby wants our credit information!!
Taysby is worse than big brother!!!!
😜
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 13, 2014, 12:06:18 PM
I'm 5' 7", have the lowest voice in my school, and am built like a foot ball player. That helps...
We're all so much cooler online.
I can have a three way....... Chat at one time !