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So basically common core is designed to bring everyone down to the lowest level?
Not here, as an 8th grader in Geometry I can say it works fine.
The Common Core's goal is to bring up the standards in American education and to ensure that each state has the same level of standards, basically, they are trying to prepare us for college. The Common Core is fine, but the way the are implementing it kind of sucks. They should have started it with first grade, and then moved it up from there so they weren't testing eleventh graders on what they didn't learn (just took the NY Common Core Regents test). I am thankful that I only have to take one Common Core test in my life, but for those who are going to grow up with it, it won't be that bad.
I'd say that since out of the 20 page test booklet only about 2 pages were not article reading, the rest was instructions. I hated it, and seeing as my old English teacher said it was funny that they thought that what we took was a test is saying something
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 03, 2014, 03:10:08 PM
The Common Core's goal is to bring up the standards in American education and to ensure that each state has the same level of standards, basically, they are trying to prepare us for college. The Common Core is fine, but the way the are implementing it kind of sucks. They should have started it with first grade, and then moved it up from there so they weren't testing eleventh graders on what they didn't learn (just took the NY Common Core Regents test). I am thankful that I only have to take one Common Core test in my life, but for those who are going to grow up with it, it won't be that bad.
It actually sounds like it is dumbing down the standards. Thank Dieties we didn't have this 15 years when I was in High School, or else I probably wouldn't have taken all my AP Classes. Sounds like instead of allowing students to excel, it has students {plateau}....
The common core is a system that will take awhile, but I believe it will get there. Sure, it can slow down the smart students. But the smart students are smart students because we work hard OUTSIDE of the classroom regardless. Once the common core can bring up the rear, then they can start taking steps, all together, towards a better education. (Or at least that's my opinion. This is what my English & Research term paper was over.)
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 03, 2014, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 03, 2014, 03:10:08 PM
The Common Core's goal is to bring up the standards in American education and to ensure that each state has the same level of standards, basically, they are trying to prepare us for college. The Common Core is fine, but the way the are implementing it kind of sucks. They should have started it with first grade, and then moved it up from there so they weren't testing eleventh graders on what they didn't learn (just took the NY Common Core Regents test). I am thankful that I only have to take one Common Core test in my life, but for those who are going to grow up with it, it won't be that bad.
It actually sounds like it is dumbing down the standards. Thank Dieties we didn't have this 15 years when I was in High School, or else I probably wouldn't have taken all my AP Classes. Sounds like instead of allowing students to excel, it has students {plateau}....
It really depends on the school and state, but the grand majority of places have had the standards risen. Also, the common core is fostering a more complete understanding of the concepts especially in math, so while the "standards" haven't risen much, the students are learning a lot more.
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 03, 2014, 06:40:30 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 03, 2014, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 03, 2014, 03:10:08 PM
The Common Core's goal is to bring up the standards in American education and to ensure that each state has the same level of standards, basically, they are trying to prepare us for college. The Common Core is fine, but the way the are implementing it kind of sucks. They should have started it with first grade, and then moved it up from there so they weren't testing eleventh graders on what they didn't learn (just took the NY Common Core Regents test). I am thankful that I only have to take one Common Core test in my life, but for those who are going to grow up with it, it won't be that bad.
It actually sounds like it is dumbing down the standards. Thank Dieties we didn't have this 15 years when I was in High School, or else I probably wouldn't have taken all my AP Classes. Sounds like instead of allowing students to excel, it has students {plateau}....
It really depends on the school and state, but the grand majority of places have had the standards risen. Also, the common core is fostering a more complete understanding of the concepts especially in math, so while the "standards" haven't risen much, the students are learning a lot more.
So the point is to understand what you're doing, rather than to get the new answer? Listen to "new math" by Tom Lehrer. Also, it took me 10 minutes to find out how to do my 5 year old nice's subtraction. She had been trying to learn it their way for 2+ weeks. After 5 minutes of my way, she had it down. Common core doesn't foster learning.
Common Core fosters a deeper understanding of the mathematics behind the basic arithmetic. Although it is easier to just memorize things, when these students get into higher level courses such as calculus and chemistry, their deeper understanding of these techniques will help them greatly.
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 11:37:30 PM
Sell me on it. Go. Make calculus easier for me, I'm taking it my first semester in college.
Neither you nor me is taking or will be taking any Common Core math classes, but we will see how it works out with the class of 2026...
Quote from: Taysby on June 04, 2014, 12:01:26 AM
So were screwing with our kids in the hopes that it works better? I say we leave it as it is, because it ain't broke.
Is that why we are so far behind so many other countries?
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Ha! I took calc 2 last semester! I wish I had a deeper understanding! I passed because I took it with the easiest professor UCO has! It takes time to fix problems that are so deeply set I. Their ways as our current learning system is. And it only takes longer when people try to fight it. That it took so long to figure out a child's subtraction just goes to show that we have an incomplete understanding of the basic principles that were drilled into us. Just knowing isn't even close to enough. Understanding is the key to progress. Without a proper foundation, we can only go so high! I, for one, am anxious to see where the common core leads.
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on June 03, 2014, 06:29:38 PM
The common core is a system that will take awhile, but I believe it will get there. Sure, it can slow down the smart students. But the smart students are smart students because we work hard OUTSIDE of the classroom regardless. Once the common core can bring up the rear, then they can start taking steps, all together, towards a better education. (Or at least that's my opinion. This is what my English & Research term paper was over.)
I do almost no studying/work outside out school, and I got a full ride. It makes it a lot harder for the smart students to succeed.
I think decrying a new system of education at this point is premature. That said, I can't remember a model for education that wasn't reviled. I also can't remember a model for education that was much different than prior models.
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 11:37:30 PM
Sell me on it. Go. Make calculus easier for me, I'm taking it my first semester in college.
The hardest part about Calculus in the Algebra behind the formulas and equations. Once you get those down, Calculus is a breeze.
I would like to interject that not all teachers are good, but that far more students just don't want to learn. It may not show on this forum as I have seen that we have many people going to college.
Quote from: Aladormax on June 04, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
I would like to interject that not all teachers are good, but that far more students just don't want to learn. It may not show on this forum as I have seen that we have many people going to college.
Hey, I am in college. Let me tell you, I your statement is no less true at a college level than it is a gradeschool level! Lol! I support your statement fully.
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 04, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 04, 2014, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 04, 2014, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 04, 2014, 12:01:26 AM
So were screwing with our kids in the hopes that it works better? I say we leave it as it is, because it ain't broke.
Is that why we are so far behind so many other countries?
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We are actually just a little below average. I believe that could be fixed by fixing the teachers without changing the curriculum.
Also, time in school matters too. We spend 7 hours in school. The japs spend 12. That's a lot of extra time.
.love. off with that fixing the teachers crap. The amount of money the average teacher in this country has to pay and extra hours they give, and people always rush to blame them.
My sister-in-law is an elementary school teacher and she gets paid crap
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 03:20:13 PM
Also, they don't teach 1st graders how to write. Just type. What's up with that shiz? I'd say writing is an essential...
Seriously? I can't believe that's true.... But it seems so crazy it might be. Does that seem crazy to anyone else??
So they don't learn writing... at all? Or what? What about the little thing called homework that people start getting? That can't all be typed...
I am currently attending a nice private prep school with AP courses offered at sophomore year, but I have been in two public school systems. Neither had a curriculum that felt either challenging or gratifying. I thought that all the work was too easy, however I never felt as if I were actually learning anything (of any value at least) on a day to day basis, so I dreaded boring and repetitive schoolwork that taught me very little. In my current school I actually enjoy coming to school every day. I learn something new and if not useful than at least interesting every day and my courses are all difficult but not impossible. As a current student who has seen both sides of schooling (not counting home school), public schools are doing something wrong, and it needs to be fixed.
Maybe where you are at is just screwed up. My little sister is in second grade, andmyblittle brother in first grade. They can kinda type, but they were both taught to write first.
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 04, 2014, 06:50:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 03:20:13 PM
Also, they don't teach 1st graders how to write. Just type. What's up with that shiz? I'd say writing is an essential...
Seriously? I can't believe that's true.... But it seems so crazy it might be. Does that seem crazy to anyone else??
No, this isnt true. The common core still teaches writing, it just has a big emphasis on typing. The Common Core regents I took Tuesday had me write 2 essays, no typing
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 05, 2014, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 04, 2014, 06:50:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 03:20:13 PM
Also, they don't teach 1st graders how to write. Just type. What's up with that shiz? I'd say writing is an essential...
Seriously? I can't believe that's true.... But it seems so crazy it might be. Does that seem crazy to anyone else??
No, this isnt true. The common core still teaches writing, it just has a big emphasis on typing. The Common Core regents I took Tuesday had me write 2 essays, no typing
Ok, that's good at least.
First calculus.....
All calculus is is area under a curve. Once you get this it's easy as cake. It's all length x width. Just change the lebgths and widths .... Sometimes onto infinity, but that about sums up the basic gist.
Second testing in America-
The results if standardized testing shows the us dropping because in the USA we test EVERYONE. Like Taysby said some country's only test their brightest kids and those that play modern tron. So yea are scores are going to take a dip.
3rd one of my favorite quotes.... "When was the last time the navy held a bake sale to pay for their new boats"
Pay your teachers!!!
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3rd one of my favorite quotes.... "When was the last time the navy held a bake sale to pay for their new boats"
Love it!!! Because I'm Navy!!!