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Title: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: Saab93 on April 05, 2012, 01:53:46 AM
If I use {phantasmal image} to copy {Frost Titan}, and the copy is then targeted by a spell or ability, is it put into the graveyard or does it counter the spell/ability unless opponent pays 2 mana? Thanks!
Title: Re: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: TBNL on April 05, 2012, 01:56:34 AM
The copied Titan would still die, targeting takes place before countering
Title: Re: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: Poof on April 05, 2012, 01:57:10 AM
I'm pretty sure he dies before u have the option of using that ability.
Title: Re: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: BlackJester on April 05, 2012, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: Poof on April 05, 2012, 01:57:10 AM
I'm pretty sure he dies before u have the option of using that ability.
It's not really an option, but yeah there will be a sacrifice trigger put on the stack regardless. After you sac the image, then the spell will still be countered unless they pay 2. This would matter if they used a spell like {Arc Trail}.
Title: Re: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: Saab93 on April 05, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 05, 2012, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: Poof on April 05, 2012, 01:57:10 AM
I'm pretty sure he dies before u have the option of using that ability.
It's not really an option, but yeah there will be a sacrifice trigger put on the stack regardless. After you sac the image, then the spell will still be countered unless they pay 2. This would matter if they used a spell like {Arc Trail}.

Wow thanks that definitely clears things up!
Title: Re: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: Nobbert on April 05, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
Why of phantasmal copies a hexproof creature?  It can't be the target of spells so is that a loophole or?
Title: Re: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: BlackJester on April 05, 2012, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on April 05, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
Why of phantasmal copies a hexproof creature?  It can't be the target of spells so is that a loophole or?

Exactly.  If you can't target it, you can't trigger the ability.
Title: Re: Phantasmal Image + Frost Titan
Post by: darkarts981 on April 06, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: Nobbert on April 05, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
Why of phantasmal copies a hexproof creature?  It can't be the target of spells so is that a loophole or?
Yeah of course! If it can't be targeted then, well, it can't be targeted!!