Bring up the topic that I think my parents religion is a load of bull and I don't want to be a part of it? I've tried easing into it, but they are completely locked on the fact that I'm a "perfect son". I'm lost here. I don't want it to be me shouting it in their faces, because anger in discussions is bad, but as of right now, I can't think of any other way. :P
Get a mediator. Someone who your parents respect.
Just tell them? I mean what's the worst that could happen? Be dishoned because you have different ideas than them? The hardest part is mustering up the courage to straight up say it.
Eventually one day, you will be able to communicate with them on a calm level as equals rather than child and parent.
I grew up with religious family and around 13/14 they lost all hope. I just chose not to Goto church etc, but still be thankful for what has created and given to me.
You'll have to voice your opinion one day, so do it, just choose the best timing.
I have the same problem. My parents are Christian, and I don't know how to tell them that I believe in the Bahá'í Faith. I got a letter from the church that I hung in my room in place of the Ten Commandments (that I got from confirmation classes), but they don't seem to have noticed. I even dropped out of confirmation classes and don't got to church, but they just don't see it.
"When you understand why you wrote off all other possible gods, you'll understand why I wrote off yours."
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on June 01, 2014, 09:21:27 PM
Just tell them? I mean what's the worst that could happen? Be dishoned because you have different ideas than them? The hardest part is mustering up the courage to straight up say it.
Well, if you want to know
"I can't believe you! What happened? Are you looking at porn? *checks browser history that's clean but don't believe it and take away my ipad and laptop* I bet it's those cards *takes away cards and generally make my life miserable until I "start seeing straight"*
I could totally see my parents doing those things, hence not straight up saying it.
So they take your stuff. After awhile they'll then ask "so what do you think now that we took your stuff?!" That's when you reinforce your stance on what you believe and try to open their eyes to "maybe it's not the games/cards/peers."
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I have the same problem. My parents are Christian, and I don't know how to tell them that I believe in the Bahá'í Faith. I got a letter from the church that I hung in my room in place of the Ten Commandments (that I got from confirmation classes), but they don't seem to have noticed. I even dropped out of confirmation classes and don't got to church, but they just don't see it.
The what? I've never heard about it. Is it some type of Islam religion?
You know how Christianity came from Judaism and Islam came from Christianity? Bahai, is like the next step. Basically, the religion focuses on social, economic and ethnic equality, and the unity of humanity, rather than mysticism.
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 01, 2014, 09:48:15 PM
"When you understand why you wrote off all other possible gods, you'll understand why I wrote off yours."
Ouch... ;)
Hey, this is my tactic. I'm atheist.
I know parents like this and how they act and that's not how it would go down in the end... More like burning the cards after several months.
move out and tell them then.
Murder them in their sleep and dispose of the bodies mob boss style.
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 01, 2014, 10:07:22 PM
Murder them in their sleep and dispose of the bodies mob boss style.
... That crossed the line.
Line? This is the internet. If there was a line it was killed off long ago.
Mob boss style.
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Must... Not... Make... Joke... About... .politics.... ;)
I know...you could never tell what my political affiliations are from my religion....lol
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 01, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 01, 2014, 10:07:22 PM
Murder them in their sleep and dispose of the bodies mob boss style.
... That crossed the line.
Line? This is the internet. If there was a line it was killed off long ago.
Just make sure you bury the body vertically 7 feet under, cover it up just so you can see it, and put a dead dog overtop of it. The police find the dog, mark the place, and never search there again :3
Anyway, I'm in a similar situation, and I've been dropping hints that I am indeed an atheist. However it seems to elude them. Be very blunt and tell them straightforward you are an atheist though. If they start to throw out "Jesus Talk" or start yelling and screaming, just tell them the bible says to love people as you love yourself. If they start to yell again, they ignored their own religion and call out the hypocrisy. If you think your parents will react VERY BADLY, have a back-up plan where you could stay at a friends house. Have a bag packed and ready to go. The reason for this is so they have time to cool off and start to mull over the idea, but this is only if they react by starting screaming matches and continually start them up after the fact, or if they react in a hostile manner. Otherwise they will think that you are thinking irrationally like a juvenile teenager. They may not accept that you are an atheist and may not acknowledge the fact that you are one. Give it time, and remind them every now and then, and maybe they'll get the message.
Yes I am using past experiences to tell you this in case anyone asks, "how do you know this works questions." :)
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on June 01, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on June 01, 2014, 09:21:27 PM
Just tell them? I mean what's the worst that could happen? Be dishoned because you have different ideas than them? The hardest part is mustering up the courage to straight up say it.
Well, if you want to know
"I can't believe you! What happened? Are you looking at porn? *checks browser history that's clean but don't believe it and take away my ipad and laptop* I bet it's those cards *takes away cards and generally make my life miserable until I "start seeing straight"*
I could totally see my parents doing those things, hence not straight up saying it.
So they take your stuff. After awhile they'll then ask "so what do you think now that we took your stuff?!" That's when you reinforce your stance on what you believe and try to open their eyes to "maybe it's not the games/cards/peers."
That would be in several months for that conversation to happen, and I like my stuff. Plus they probably wouldn't give me my stuff back, even if they decided to believe me,
Stuff is temporary and can always be replaced. If all they have taught you is that stuff is important and you must obey authority.....well be willing to risk something for once. Life is more important with experience and discovering the self, rather than stuff. The more you repress your inner desires, the more you end up being a tight wad about life; goals all becomes too late and opportunities become missed due to fear. Do not live in fear! Live in trust.
I believe that your parents will always love you and accept you for who you are ; unless their psychotic people. Don't be afraid to not be the same people as them
And as far as your stuff goes, the sooner you have your own independence and disposable income you can make all the frivolous purchases you want.
Oh hai new {Tundra} for $150
Didn't you just graduate? Just wait until you go to college and tell them.
I would advise you to wait until you move out to tell them. Telling them while you live under their roof could easily be interpreted as an act of defiance or immature rebellion. Wait until you are on level ground with them.
Quote from: Taysby on June 02, 2014, 12:07:01 AM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 01, 2014, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on June 01, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on June 01, 2014, 09:21:27 PM
Just tell them? I mean what's the worst that could happen? Be dishoned because you have different ideas than them? The hardest part is mustering up the courage to straight up say it.
Well, if you want to know
"I can't believe you! What happened? Are you looking at porn? *checks browser history that's clean but don't believe it and take away my ipad and laptop* I bet it's those cards *takes away cards and generally make my life miserable until I "start seeing straight"*
I could totally see my parents doing those things, hence not straight up saying it.
So they take your stuff. After awhile they'll then ask "so what do you think now that we took your stuff?!" That's when you reinforce your stance on what you believe and try to open their eyes to "maybe it's not the games/cards/peers."
That would be in several months for that conversation to happen, and I like my stuff. Plus they probably wouldn't give me my stuff back, even if they decided to believe me,
Stuff is temporary and can always be replaced. If all they have taught you is that stuff is important and you must obey authority.....well be willing to risk something for once. Life is more important with experience and discovering the self, rather than stuff. The more you repress your inner desires, the more you end up being a tight wad about life; goals all becomes too late and opportunities become missed due to fear. Do not live in fear! Live in trust.
I believe that your parents will always love you and accept you for who you are ; unless their psychotic people. Don't be afraid to not be the same people as them
And as far as your stuff goes, the sooner you have your own independence and disposable income you can make all the frivolous purchases you want.
Oh hai new {Tundra} for $150
Stuff isn't that important. But I'd prefer to not have to spend several grand to get back into magic, and have to get a new comptroller for about $1100
They will love me, but it like having fun. From previous experiences, such as not so clean browser history, life sucked butt for like a whole year, and 4ish years later, I'm still suffering consequences. -_-
There's nothing worse than a religious parent delving into the darkness of your browser history and getting a lecture/any punishment for it.
Lol you guys know nothing of worse
Believe me there is much worse than a lecture from a parent.
Just watch your local news at night
I don't know muggy... Drive by shootings < uncomfortable lecture from you parents with them telling you that something that's completely natural is a sin and gods watching(perve).
Having a gun pointed at your head, cocked & ready in real life is much more severe than a "what if" conversation on the Internet would allow it to be.
There are people younger than you who had to kill their parents to live.
So please add reality to the bubble if you're going to say there is nothing worse than parents lecturing. That's some bullshit teenage Emo crap, grow some hair on your balls and deal with mom and dad disagreeing with you for a few months.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 02, 2014, 02:46:00 AM
Having a gun pointed at your head, cocked & ready in real life is much more severe than a "what if" conversation on the Internet would allow it to be.
I hope you know I'm not at all serious. There are countless things worse than an uncomfortable conversation...
With the amount of ignorance on the Internet, you can never have doubt.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 02, 2014, 02:49:31 AM
With the amount of ignorance on the Internet, you can never have doubt.
Serious muggy is scary.
Seen some .poo. son :P
My grandparents tried taking my cards one because they thought it said "black magic" on them
It took me years to get them to actually read the backs then they gave them back..
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 01, 2014, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 01, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 01, 2014, 10:07:22 PM
Murder them in their sleep and dispose of the bodies mob boss style.
... That crossed the line.
Line? This is the internet. If there was a line it was killed off long ago.
Just make sure you bury the body vertically 7 feet under, cover it up just so you can see it, and put a dead dog overtop of it. The police find the dog, mark the place, and never search there again :3
Anyway, I'm in a similar situation, and I've been dropping hints that I am indeed an atheist. However it seems to elude them. Be very blunt and tell them straightforward you are an atheist though. If they start to throw out "Jesus Talk" or start yelling and screaming, just tell them the bible says to love people as you love yourself. If they start to yell again, they ignored their own religion and call out the hypocrisy. If you think your parents will react VERY BADLY, have a back-up plan where you could stay at a friends house. Have a bag packed and ready to go. The reason for this is so they have time to cool off and start to mull over the idea, but this is only if they react by starting screaming matches and continually start them up after the fact, or if they react in a hostile manner. Otherwise they will think that you are thinking irrationally like a juvenile teenager. They may not accept that you are an atheist and may not acknowledge the fact that you are one. Give it time, and remind them every now and then, and maybe they'll get the message.
Yes I am using past experiences to tell you this in case anyone asks, "how do you know this works questions." :)
No, kill them and put them in a bathtub without anything seeing, draining all their blood, and cleaning the bathtub extremely thoroughly so no blood. Then chop them into 10+ segments and put them in trash cans on trash day across the city.
You know what you could do? Just a suggestion, but instead of telling your parents that you think their beliefs are .poo., just bide your time and move out. Leave on good terms and they'll be way more willing to help out if your ever in a bind. No sense in .loving. up any type of relationship you guys have just because you don't like what they think. Pointless fight is pointless.
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 02, 2014, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 01, 2014, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 01, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 01, 2014, 10:07:22 PM
Murder them in their sleep and dispose of the bodies mob boss style.
... That crossed the line.
Line? This is the internet. If there was a line it was killed off long ago.
Just make sure you bury the body vertically 7 feet under, cover it up just so you can see it, and put a dead dog overtop of it. The police find the dog, mark the place, and never search there again :3
Anyway, I'm in a similar situation, and I've been dropping hints that I am indeed an atheist. However it seems to elude them. Be very blunt and tell them straightforward you are an atheist though. If they start to throw out "Jesus Talk" or start yelling and screaming, just tell them the bible says to love people as you love yourself. If they start to yell again, they ignored their own religion and call out the hypocrisy. If you think your parents will react VERY BADLY, have a back-up plan where you could stay at a friends house. Have a bag packed and ready to go. The reason for this is so they have time to cool off and start to mull over the idea, but this is only if they react by starting screaming matches and continually start them up after the fact, or if they react in a hostile manner. Otherwise they will think that you are thinking irrationally like a juvenile teenager. They may not accept that you are an atheist and may not acknowledge the fact that you are one. Give it time, and remind them every now and then, and maybe they'll get the message.
Yes I am using past experiences to tell you this in case anyone asks, "how do you know this works questions." :)
No, kill them and put them in a bathtub without anything seeing, draining all their blood, and cleaning the bathtub extremely thoroughly so no blood. Then chop them into 10+ segments and put them in trash cans on trash day across the city.
Not effective enough. Meat grinder. Then pig farm. No remains.
Quote from: Taysby on June 02, 2014, 02:19:21 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 02, 2014, 01:22:51 PM
You know what you could do? Just a suggestion, but instead of telling your parents that you think their beliefs are .poo., just bide your time and move out. Leave on good terms and they'll be way more willing to help out if your ever in a bind. No sense in .loving. up any type of relationship you guys have just because you don't like what they think. Pointless fight is pointless.
Well it wouldn't be pointless, because they make me waste time going to church and stuff, and they'll probably try and push me into the 2 years of service almost every guy "has" to do. :P
You could always tell them that your relationship with god is very strong and you feel that you should be able to worship how you want because your nearly(or are) an adult. That might get you out of Every week Sunday sermons. Maybe go every other or every two weeks to keep them happy until you move out.
Quote from: Taysby on June 02, 2014, 02:19:21 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 02, 2014, 01:22:51 PM
You know what you could do? Just a suggestion, but instead of telling your parents that you think their beliefs are .poo., just bide your time and move out. Leave on good terms and they'll be way more willing to help out if your ever in a bind. No sense in .loving. up any type of relationship you guys have just because you don't like what they think. Pointless fight is pointless.
Well it wouldn't be pointless, because they make me waste time going to church and stuff, and they'll probably try and push me into the 2 years of service almost every guy "has" to do. :P
Sounds like Mormonism...
This is interesting. I'll give you my opinion from a Christian point of view, as I am one. First off, it seems to me that your parents have a very skewed, Americanized sense of Christianity based on what I'm reading, so know that what your parents believe may not be Christianity as it should be, but rather what your community sees as Christianity.
Now, I think that you should talk to them about what you do believe, not what you don't. There's a very large difference there that should not be mistaken. Rather than shoving Christianity into the ground (hence demolishing equality in your relationship with your parents) you should be forward with them. And don't be scared about them taking away your computer of whatever if you really want to stand for what you believe in inside an oppressive environment. Belief in anything at all takes sacrifice.
Now, your parents, as Christians who love their son, should approach the scenario in a loving, rational manner. Discussion should take place. Not irrational decision making to kick you out of the house or whatever. Know that that is not the approach they should take towards their fully grown son from a Christian parenting sort of view.
Quote from: Taysby on June 02, 2014, 02:19:21 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 02, 2014, 01:22:51 PM
You know what you could do? Just a suggestion, but instead of telling your parents that you think their beliefs are .poo., just bide your time and move out. Leave on good terms and they'll be way more willing to help out if your ever in a bind. No sense in .loving. up any type of relationship you guys have just because you don't like what they think. Pointless fight is pointless.
Well it wouldn't be pointless, because they make me waste time going to church and stuff, and they'll probably try and push me into the 2 years of service almost every guy "has" to do. :P
You said you just graduated, which would mean you are 18, or at least close to it, which would make you an adult, which woud mean you are fully able to make your own, which would mean you could just say "No" and be on your way. That may upset them, but you could say it in a way that would make them realize that you are your own person and able to live for yourself.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 02, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 02, 2014, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 01, 2014, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 01, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 01, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 01, 2014, 10:07:22 PM
Murder them in their sleep and dispose of the bodies mob boss style.
... That crossed the line.
Line? This is the internet. If there was a line it was killed off long ago.
Just make sure you bury the body vertically 7 feet under, cover it up just so you can see it, and put a dead dog overtop of it. The police find the dog, mark the place, and never search there again :3
Anyway, I'm in a similar situation, and I've been dropping hints that I am indeed an atheist. However it seems to elude them. Be very blunt and tell them straightforward you are an atheist though. If they start to throw out "Jesus Talk" or start yelling and screaming, just tell them the bible says to love people as you love yourself. If they start to yell again, they ignored their own religion and call out the hypocrisy. If you think your parents will react VERY BADLY, have a back-up plan where you could stay at a friends house. Have a bag packed and ready to go. The reason for this is so they have time to cool off and start to mull over the idea, but this is only if they react by starting screaming matches and continually start them up after the fact, or if they react in a hostile manner. Otherwise they will think that you are thinking irrationally like a juvenile teenager. They may not accept that you are an atheist and may not acknowledge the fact that you are one. Give it time, and remind them every now and then, and maybe they'll get the message.
Yes I am using past experiences to tell you this in case anyone asks, "how do you know this works questions." :)
No, kill them and put them in a bathtub without anything seeing, draining all their blood, and cleaning the bathtub extremely thoroughly so no blood. Then chop them into 10+ segments and put them in trash cans on trash day across the city.
Not effective enough. Meat grinder. Then pig farm. No remains.
Worked for Roy Demeo.
If you can think of anyone they respect to be on your side within the family or their circle of friends, make that alliance. It helps a whole lot more then you think it would. Sometimes you need to approach each parent one at a time, start with the easier one, then on to the harder one. If you think they will react in a way that calls attention to the other person, them tell them at the same time instead.
Be kind and courteous to them, and tell them that you are still the same person. If they ask where you came up with the assumption that you are an atheist, calmly point out why, and some paradoxes found in the religion.
The key is to be calm, kind, and act to act like yourself. They will still love you, and you will still keep a room.
Again, pack a bag if you are afraid they will kick you out. Assemble a group of friends and establish if you can crash at their house. Tell them that you can jump around if needed among them, and some will comply. Do this only if they react hostilely or they constantly start yelling matches. Tell them that you still want to be a family with them, so you don't want to tear it apart. Leaving will give them time to cool down and warm up to the idea.
Hope this helped!