Can I use an { ischoron sceptre} and a {stronic resonator} to imprint two spells then wheel I cast them do both go off
From the Magic 2014 Release Notes:
If a triggered ability is linked to a second ability, copies of that triggered ability are also linked to that second ability. If the second ability refers to "the exiled card," it refers to all cards exiled by the triggered ability and the copy. For example, if Exclusion Ritual's enters-the-battlefield ability is copied and two nonland permanents are exiled, players can't cast spells with the same name as either exiled card.
Basically, you'll create copies of both cards, but since the scepter says you MAY cast the copies, you get to choose which ones are actually cast.
You won't be able to use the resonator to exile two cards if the ETB effect of the scepter is a replacement effect because it doesn't use the stack. I'm unsure if it would count as a replacement effect, however.
614.12. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=614.12.): Some replacement effects modify how a permanent enters the battlefield. (See rules 614.1c-d.) Such effects may come from the permanent itself if they affect only that permanent (as opposed to a general subset of permanents that includes it). They may also come from other sources. To determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield, taking into account replacement effects that have already modified how it enters the battlefield (see rule 616.1), continuous effects generated by the resolution of spells or abilities that changed the permanent's characteristics on the stack (see rule 400.7a), and continuous effects from the permanent's own static abilities, but ignoring continuous effects from any other source that would affect it.
Example: Voice of All says "As Voice of All enters the battlefield, choose a color" and "Voice of All has protection from the chosen color." An effect creates a token that's a copy of Voice of All. As that token is put onto the battlefield, its controller chooses a color for it.
Example: Yixlid Jailer says "Cards in graveyards lose all abilities." Scarwood Treefolk says "Scarwood Treefolk enters the battlefield tapped." A Scarwood Treefolk that's put onto the battlefield from a graveyard enters the battlefield tapped.
Example: Orb of Dreams is an artifact that says "Permanents enter the battlefield tapped." It won't affect itself, so Orb of Dreams enters the battlefield untapped.
Question about the Sceptre, if I were to exile {Quicken}, I could potentially use all sorceries as though they had flash and draw a card?
{Time Reversal} at instant speed on opponents' turn. :3
I want an Ischoron Sceptre now.
Imprint is a standard Triggered Ability that can be hit with Strionic Resonator; It starts with 'When', 'Whenever' or 'At the...'.
To Avo -
Sure. No reason why you can't.
I also found this ruling on {oblivian ring} that lead me to the same conclusion.
10/1/2007 If Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.
What the difference between Low, Average, and High quality when purchasing through iMTG? I'm really considering buying a Sceptre now.
Quote from: Pleeb on May 30, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
I also found this ruling on {oblivian ring} that lead me to the same conclusion.
10/1/2007 If Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.
Can you elaborate on what you mean for this?
Avo-
Those are just the ranges of prices from TCGPlayer.com, with Low, High and Average costs.
Oh alright. So I should usually look at the average?
Quote from: Avodroc13 on May 30, 2014, 09:07:25 AM
Question about the Sceptre, if I were to exile {Quicken}, I could potentially use all sorceries as though they had flash and draw a card?
{Time Reversal} at instant speed on opponents' turn. :3
I want an Ischoron Sceptre now.
You need to tap the scepter to cast your copy, and quicken only affects the next sorcery you cast. Other than those restrictions, go for it.
That's why {banishing light} is considered a 'fixed' version of {oblivion ring}. Same deal with {banisher priest} and {fiend hunter}.
Quote from: Pleeb on May 30, 2014, 09:16:25 AM
Quote from: Avodroc13 on May 30, 2014, 09:07:25 AM
Question about the Sceptre, if I were to exile {Quicken}, I could potentially use all sorceries as though they had flash and draw a card?
{Time Reversal} at instant speed on opponents' turn. :3
I want an Ischoron Sceptre now.
You need to tap the scepter to cast your copy, and quicken only affects the next sorcery you cast. Other than those restrictions, go for it.
{unwinding clock} + {bathsalt monolith} is wonderful for EDH and isochron :)
Quote from: Remillo on May 30, 2014, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: Pleeb on May 30, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
I also found this ruling on {oblivian ring} that lead me to the same conclusion.
10/1/2007 If Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.
Can you elaborate on what you mean for this?
Avo-
Those are just the ranges of prices from TCGPlayer.com, with Low, High and Average costs.
The same wording is used on oblivian ring as the scepter, and the ruling implies that there is something on the stack to counter, therefor the replacement effect clause doesn't apply.
Quote from: Pleeb on May 30, 2014, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Remillo on May 30, 2014, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: Pleeb on May 30, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
I also found this ruling on {oblivian ring} that lead me to the same conclusion.
10/1/2007 If Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.
Can you elaborate on what you mean for this?
Avo-
Those are just the ranges of prices from TCGPlayer.com, with Low, High and Average costs.
The same wording is used on oblivian ring as the scepter, and the ruling implies that there is something on the stack to counter, therefor the replacement effect clause doesn't apply.
I'm confused as to why you believe either of these cards have replacement effects. Both of them have normal Triggered abilities that trigger when they enter the battlefield.
My confusion stems from previous discussions on o-ring and choosing an object as it enters the bf. I was wrong, it happens.