Okay let's talk about the implications of fetchlands being printed in M15 (if it happens)? Would having them in standard with Shocklands break standard? Would WoTC take the risk in order to save it's favorite format (Modern)?
Discuss.
Fetches plus shocks 😳
I think they would wait until a possible return to Zendikar, which is now more likely because of the new m15 spoiler.
To add more to the discussion: if the fetches are reprinted, will it be the new ones or the old ones?
People in my area seem to think that it would break standard, but I keep explaining to them that if {Thoughtseize}, {Mana Confluence}, shocks and fetches are all in standard, red decks would come back in a very big way. I can just see the amateur at my LGS putting himself to 15 turn 1 using a fetch->shockland->{Thoughtseize}.
Quote from: Taysby on May 21, 2014, 10:10:33 PM
If shocks are reprinted... It would be all 10...
I assume you meant fetches. The new ones probably, hopefully the old ones too.
It wouldn't break standard, just make {door to nothingness}/{chromanticore} a valid deck.
Yep, I meant fetches. Thanks for the correction.
Also, now that I think about it you're right. It would be 10. But will the old ones affect modern at all?
Quote from: E.kann1 on May 21, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Taysby on May 21, 2014, 10:10:33 PM
If shocks are reprinted... It would be all 10...
I assume you meant fetches. The new ones probably, hopefully the old ones too.
It wouldn't break standard, just make {door to nothingness}/{chromanticore} a valid deck.
Yep, I meant fetches. Thanks for the correction.
Also, now that I think about it you're right. It would be 10. But will the old ones affect modern at all?
If you are asking if the Onslaught fetches getting reprinted would affect modern, than yes, but not too much. Some decks would get slightly better, and the Zen fetches would go down in price a little bit.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 21, 2014, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on May 21, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Taysby on May 21, 2014, 10:10:33 PM
If shocks are reprinted... It would be all 10...
I assume you meant fetches. The new ones probably, hopefully the old ones too.
It wouldn't break standard, just make {door to nothingness}/{chromanticore} a valid deck.
Yep, I meant fetches. Thanks for the correction.
Also, now that I think about it you're right. It would be 10. But will the old ones affect modern at all?
If you are asking if the Onslaught fetches getting reprinted would affect modern, than yes, but not too much. Some decks would get slightly better, and the Zen fetches would go down in price a little bit.
Yep. That's what I meant.
Quote from: Taysby on May 21, 2014, 10:10:33 PM
If shocks are reprinted... It would be all 10...
I assume you meant fetches. The new ones probably, hopefully the old ones too.
It wouldn't break standard, just make {door to nothingness}/{chromanticore} a valid deck.
Doubt they would do all 10 in one block. They didn't do that for the SoM block only five of them.
Shocks are only legal in standard for another 3 months anyway. Then after that, who knows. It's been a rumour for a while now that they are coming but that's all it's been. A rumour. Personally I believe they are more likely to be reprinted across an expansion block, so they can be spread out across 3 sets. But that's just my opinion.
Break standard? HELL NO!
Why?
Shocks are legal for 3 months then after that you have to fetch a basic forest ....
In standard without shocks it would just be a worse version of evolving wilds. It's in the eternal formats that it would be greatly utilised.
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 21, 2014, 11:15:37 PM
In standard without shocks it would just be a worse version of evolving wilds. It's in the eternal formats that it would be greatly utilised.
They're still better than evolving wilds lol untapped is huge!
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 21, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Shocks are only legal in standard for another 3 months anyway. Then after that, who knows. It's been a rumour for a while now that they are coming but that's all it's been. A rumour. Personally I believe they are more likely to be reprinted across an expansion block, so they can be spread out across 3 sets. But that's just my opinion.
I think it is likely (not most likely, or more likely, just likely) that they will put them in a Core set, just because it gives them more power reprint them, thus keeping them in check. If we got fetchlands every other year in the blocks, people would get annoyed (because they want new things), but it would be normal in the Core sets.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 21, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 21, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Shocks are only legal in standard for another 3 months anyway. Then after that, who knows. It's been a rumour for a while now that they are coming but that's all it's been. A rumour. Personally I believe they are more likely to be reprinted across an expansion block, so they can be spread out across 3 sets. But that's just my opinion.
I think it is likely (not most likely, or more likely, just likely) that they will put them in a Core set, just because it gives them more power reprint them, thus keeping them in check. If we got fetchlands every other year in the blocks, people would get annoyed (because they want new things), but it would be normal in the Core sets.
I highly doubt they'll be in the core sets, fitting 10 fetches in one set is fairly difficult.
It'd just be 5 fetches
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 22, 2014, 12:29:10 AM
It'd just be 5 fetches
It'll be 10, Wizards from now on is printing all duals at a time
Why?
They dislike the "enemy" and "ally" being in differing sets, as some decks are given an unfair advantage
I completely overlooked the fact that they don't come in tapped. It's been a long day.
Honestly there are huge reasons as to why fetches should be printed in core sets
1. Modern is becoming the poster child of magic so wotc wants to give players the ability to obtain the land base
2. I would say a solid 30% if not more of the people playing mtg don't understand the concept of how or when to fetch correctly so putting them in standard with their favorite targets (shocklands) gives players a 2 month window to really experiment with this concept competitively.
3. After two weeks how many boxes does wizards really sell of a core set? This way boxes will sell faster and bring people who like eternal formats to actually desire buying a box not just singles (they still are a business so the making money part has to still be involved).
I mean those are just a few things off the top of my head, And wizards would have plans as to how to make fetches useable in standard but idk what does everyone else think?
It's business shrewd. Fetches come out in 2015 so for 3 months you have a sudden market surge in the RtR block shock lands and, boom, all those dust covered piles of unsold dragon's maze and gatecrash boosters suddenly vanish from our LGS. That ensures increased sales of booster boxes by all the businesses and everyone wins. Except the poor saps who bought dragon's maze boosters.
That said, there will be no fetches in the core set.
I think fetches would be added to a block. Core sets are usually a pretty basic formula of MTG, whereas a block adds some spice to MTG introducing ideas of multicolor, new abilities, flavor that adds different playstyles.
I think in the core, we will get a check land or perhaps a return to hand land. Or maybe none?
What we get in the new block this fall shall determine if WotC wants to speed up standard. Highly unlikely we will get fetches until core 16 or the next block after that.
They have already designed most of Huey, Dewey and lewey, and the demand for fetches really wasn't up until the last 3 months, and I'm saying this from what I've seen posted in interviews with the Wiz people.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 22, 2014, 03:06:24 AM
I think fetches would be added to a block. Core sets are usually a pretty basic formula of MTG, whereas a block adds some spice to MTG introducing ideas of multicolor, new abilities, flavor that adds different playstyles.
I think in the core, we will get a check land or perhaps a return to hand land. Or maybe none?
What we get in the new block this fall shall determine if WotC wants to speed up standard. Highly unlikely we will get fetches until core 16 or the next block after that.
They have already designed most of Huey, Dewey and lewey, and the demand for fetches really wasn't up until the last 3 months, and I'm saying this from what I've seen posted in interviews with the Wiz people.
And in those interviews, they stated that they overlooked the possibilities that the fetches would be in such high demand. As such, they did not plan on reprinting them yet. Since the standard sets are made anywhere from 2-5 years in advance, I say that it will be that long before we see a reprint, unless they release a supplementary product. Remember, {Verdant Catacombs} was in an event deck. However, we will not be seeing fetches in M15 or Khans of Tarkir. If I'm wrong, well then, I won't buy any reprinted fetches as punishment.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 22, 2014, 04:28:18 AM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 22, 2014, 03:06:24 AM
I think fetches would be added to a block. Core sets are usually a pretty basic formula of MTG, whereas a block adds some spice to MTG introducing ideas of multicolor, new abilities, flavor that adds different playstyles.
I think in the core, we will get a check land or perhaps a return to hand land. Or maybe none?
What we get in the new block this fall shall determine if WotC wants to speed up standard. Highly unlikely we will get fetches until core 16 or the next block after that.
They have already designed most of Huey, Dewey and lewey, and the demand for fetches really wasn't up until the last 3 months, and I'm saying this from what I've seen posted in interviews with the Wiz people.
And in those interviews, they stated that they overlooked the possibilities that the fetches would be in such high demand. As such, they did not plan on reprinting them yet. Since the standard sets are made anywhere from 2-5 years in advance, I say that it will be that long before we see a reprint, unless they release a supplementary product. Remember, {Verdant Catacombs} was in an event deck. However, we will not be seeing fetches in M15 or Khans of Tarkir. If I'm wrong, well then, I won't buy any reprinted fetches as punishment.
Firstly, they only work about 2 years in advance, in fact just last week, MaRo said he was handing over the design for Blood (the 2016 fall set). Secondly, it was never said that we won't see fetches for at least 2 years, the interview said that they didn't expect the price jump and would take some time to react, but that doesn't necessarily mean 2 years. The lands jumped about 6 months ago, so as long as sets weren't printed yet, they could very easily have put the lands in last minute. I am saying some time between M15 and Blood, we will see fetchlands.
Quote from: DylanW18 on May 22, 2014, 01:08:24 AM
They dislike the "enemy" and "ally" being in differing sets, as some decks are given an unfair advantage
There is always gonna be some advantages in each set. Look at theros wasn't white green the two best to draft. My opinion is that they will keep a return zendikar block the same five fetches. From what I hear (all rumors with no real sources so it's really more opinions) is that they are not going to put in the onslaught fetches how it can effect modern and really cause a supply/demand issue. Also it's not in the flavor of the zen block.