iMtG Server: Gathering

Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Yawgmoth85 on May 17, 2014, 08:03:16 AM

Title: Ephara
Post by: Yawgmoth85 on May 17, 2014, 08:03:16 AM
With {ephara, god of polis} would you draw a single card on opponents turn if a creature (no matter how many) was cast, or draw a card for each creature cast?
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 08:07:01 AM
Only one card is drawn per upkeep if you had cast a creature during the last turn:)
If it is your upkeep and you cast x creatures on opponents turn you only draw 1 more card
If it is opponents turn and you cast x creatures on your turn you draw 1 card.
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 08:08:18 AM
Ephara does have this under its rulings already;)
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: Yawgmoth85 on May 17, 2014, 08:35:53 AM
Thanks for the clarity, my friend and I were ponder this last night
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: Remillo on May 17, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 08:07:01 AM
Only one card is drawn per upkeep if you had cast a creature during the last turn:)
If it is your upkeep and you cast x creatures on opponents turn you only draw 1 more card
If it is opponents turn and you cast x creatures on your turn you draw 1 card.

Just to correct a detail here, it matters if a creature entered the battlefield under your control, not that you cast a creature spell.  It may seem like a small thing, but it makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 07:46:59 PM
Yes it has to be a successful cast:) if countered then it will not count
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: Pleeb on May 17, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
{Akron horse}. Hope I got the right creature.

If your opponent has this creature in play, you will have a creature enter the bf under your control during your opponents turn and draw an extra card on yours. The creature you gain isn't being cast.
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: Remillo on May 17, 2014, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: Ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 07:46:59 PM
Yes it has to be a successful cast:) if countered then it will not count

As Pleeb stated (and I pointed out earlier), this is still wrong.
Tokens entering the battlefield, creatures being 'flickered' or even reanimated will be able to trigger Ephara.
Have a creature cast and then countered?  Nope, since it never entered the battlefield.  By your logic, it should, since it was successfully cast.
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 08:22:46 PM
I was agreeing with their statement. That it has to enter the battlefield:)
Title: Re: Ephara
Post by: Remillo on May 17, 2014, 08:26:23 PM
Quote from: Ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 08:22:46 PM
I was agreeing with their statement. That it has to enter the battlefield:)
However, what we're saying is that the creature doesn't have to be Cast at all.  Casting means to move a card (or a copy of a card) from where it is to the stack, where is waits to resolve.  To Enter the Battlefield is just that, to be put on to the battlefield, either by resolving a spell as a permanent, creating a token, or just straight-up being placed on the battlefield.

You don't have to cast anything to get Ephara to trigger.