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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Subiskier on May 16, 2014, 05:38:17 PM

Title: Land destruction
Post by: Subiskier on May 16, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
If my opponent taps land to cast a creature and I destroy one of the lands so they now don't have enough to cast, is that creature spell 'countered' or does it just remain in my opponents hand?
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: rarehuntertay on May 16, 2014, 05:45:33 PM
Once a land is tapped for mana, nothing can stop it.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 16, 2014, 08:03:44 PM
Even if you try and destroy it first there is still no way to stop them from simply tapping the land in response. Anything that produces mana (from tapping) cannot be countered, whether it be a land or a creature's ability.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: ibtrickey on May 16, 2014, 08:23:30 PM
If it is an instant would it work? Just wondering.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: ibtrickey on May 16, 2014, 08:26:01 PM
Quote from: Subiskier on May 16, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
If my opponent taps land to cast a creature and I destroy one of the lands so they now don't have enough to cast, is that creature spell 'countered' or does it just remain in my opponents hand?
I do agree with this exact scenario it would still be cast because the mana is already in their mana pool.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Pleeb on May 16, 2014, 08:27:38 PM
Nope. Once you pay the cost of a mana ability (by taping the land or mana elf etc) the player gets that mana in their mana pool.  Anything you play to stop them from paying the cost can be responded to by simply taping the land or whatever for the mana.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: MuggyWuggy on May 16, 2014, 08:28:55 PM
Tapping for mana doesn't allow a response
You just tap mana object and bam it's in mana pool
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Sparkle Ninja on May 16, 2014, 09:02:31 PM
Could you instant in {Mana Short} in response to land tap?
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: FustyDavorite on May 16, 2014, 09:10:01 PM
You cannot respond to an opponent tapping land.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Sparkle Ninja on May 16, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
The dissappoint
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Anoobass on May 16, 2014, 11:41:50 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 16, 2014, 09:02:31 PM
Could you instant in {Mana Short} in response to land tap?

You could cast it when they pass priority during the upkeep step.  Would essentially do the same thing.  But unless your responding to an ability that is not a mana ability, {arbor elf}/{voyaging satyr}, there's nothing you can do.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: ibtrickey on May 17, 2014, 12:43:12 AM
But that is an instant.. So you could not play that instant right when they tap their land?
I need some priority lessons then
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Anoobass on May 17, 2014, 01:33:21 AM
To cast a spell or activate an ability (not a mana ability) priority must be passed.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Pleeb on May 17, 2014, 01:44:35 AM
Priority lesson #1:  go to the rules section of this app and read rule 116. It will be too lengthy and complicated to paste into this post.

Long story short: a player retains priority until they pass it. In other words, you can put as many objects as you can pay for on the stack before your opponent can respond. (Note they won't resolve until every player passes priority without adding anything to the stack). Once an object on the stack resolves, the active player receives priority. Using a mana ability or playing a land doesn't use the stack and resolves before any player can respond to it.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 17, 2014, 02:31:06 AM
One more thing Pleeb, you forgot the word 'instants'. The first spell can be a sorcery but if you intend to play more spells on the stack before passing priority they must be instants.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 17, 2014, 02:35:12 AM
Just to clarify, I know that you knew that, I just read your post from a new player's perspective (I'm currently teaching a friend how to play) and thought it should be clarified.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Nymuera on May 17, 2014, 10:55:11 PM
It was a good clarification.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Pleeb on May 18, 2014, 12:59:40 AM
Truthfully, I considered using the word instant. But, you also have creature abilities to consider, so I went with objects. Unfortunately, it's real easy to mislead or confuse others inadvertently.
Title: Re: Land destruction
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 18, 2014, 01:22:18 AM
So true. I just try to not give incorrect information or ambiguous information. Sometimes it's difficult.