why is edh so expensive, i want to make a cheapish deck for general play focusing on hydras?
That's going to be hard. My favourite cheap deck is {Thromok the insatiable} with a bunch of weenie creatures
Edh is expensive because you can pick such good cards..
You can make it pauper; people just have access to amazing cards and would rather have the best 63 cards available rather than the most convenient.
I usually try to start with my collective pool and then add the critical cards from there.
It's only as expensive as you want to make it, really. There's always a cheaper alternative. Don't want to do revised dual lands (this is me)? Shocks. Not shocks? Guildgates. Your deck doesn't have to beat everyone's faces in and be super competitive. It should just be fun.
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 15, 2014, 12:01:27 AM
It's only as expensive as you want to make it, really. There's always a cheaper alternative. Don't want to do revised dual lands (this is me)? Shocks. Not shocks? Guildgates. Your deck doesn't have to beat everyone's faces in and be super competitive. It should just be fun.
Lets be honest. Sometimes beating face is fun.
Dragon deck is easily worth 1.3k :/ and that's not even the foiled value.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 15, 2014, 12:09:30 AM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 15, 2014, 12:01:27 AM
It's only as expensive as you want to make it, really. There's always a cheaper alternative. Don't want to do revised dual lands (this is me)? Shocks. Not shocks? Guildgates. Your deck doesn't have to beat everyone's faces in and be super competitive. It should just be fun.
Lets be honest. Sometimes beating face is fun.
haha of course it is. That's what Sydri does ;)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 15, 2014, 12:55:28 AM
Dragon deck is easily worth 1.3k :/ and that's not even the foiled value.
I'm guessing {Scion of the Ur-Dragon}. And yeah that screams expensive lol. 5 color landbase is hard to not be expensive, then dragons... But {Sydri, Galvanic Genius} is my most expensive deck, sitting right under 400. Not entirely finished yet, though. Would love JtMS and a cryptic command for it but I don't have 150 lying around currently.
if you just use guildgates and the lands that tap for 2 like {Simic Growth Chamber} and then use basics for the rest you can cut out about $100-$200 out of a 3 color deck if the deck is 2 colors then its closer to $100 if its 5 color well my 5 color deck has a $1,000 mana base but it varies, which is why i will never be able to build mine so just use basics for your first few decks and see if you like the deck before you get all the expensive land and find out the deck isnt fun to play after spending $300(the average that iv seen) on a new deck
Yeah I like to just go through my binder and pick out the most awesome stuff that will never see constructed play. I start there and then slowly switch cards out for better cards as I aquire them. EDH is supposed to be fun, not competitive... Of course everyone wants to win though 😜
As I always say. It's fun to play, it's more fun to win, and most fun to piss everyone else off. Yes I'm a little off. But I've had some of my most fun not winning a game but making another person cry. But it all starts out that you have to have fun playing.
You have your favorite decks/playstyles you just wanna keep geeking them out and hopefully for free ala trading.
Then you breakdown and head to an LGS and spend $50 cuz you had nothing else to do in the area you're in....but I got foil dragons!
Definitely the mana base gets expensive: my 5 color has all original dual lands in it. The dragon foils are gonna be expensive too...BUT: this deck has taken multiple people out in a few turns and I don't even run Sol ring!
only want to got 3 colour or 2
I don't think you need an expensive mana base. For one, it's supposed to be a casual, fun format. You can have a lot of fun and drop your WUBRG general only a turn later than usual most of the time with proper fixing, maybe even sooner with ramp. My playgroup has a lot of legacy players, but even with their dual lands I can hang. For example, running Erebos, I'll win at least 1/4 with a deck that cost less than $100(that's very cheap in the Magic realm). Could that deck use a $30 Urborg? Probably, but it's 1/99 and most of the time won't even notice.
Heck, my friend who runs decks like Jeleva only spends about $40 on his, and wins a fair share. The funny part about playing against $20+ creatures is that most of them die to Doom Blade, or are just as powerful on your side with Mind Control, both cheap uncommons.
If you think you need to spend $400 or more on a deck, you might want to rethink your deck. Besides, what are you up to win with that expensive deck? $20 dealer credit at an Open event? If you really want to play that deck, go on Cockatrice, where everyone's playing $200 Mana Crypts.
^ this is very true
Murder is viable in EDH. Lack of mana is usually not an issue in the game, especially if you're running green.
Clue stones are useful in the pauper sense. Guildgates + {amulet of vigor} and you don't need to spend $150 on a single dual land
Also don't feel bad to proxy a few cards you can't afford if you're never planning to go to a competitive event with it.
A guy at my store always tried to make as much of the deck as possible then proxies the rest or uses another
I'm looking at the older cards that are duallands such as root bound crag( I think that's what it's called) which is RG
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 15, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
I'm looking at the older cards that are duallands such as root bound crag( I think that's what it's called) which is RG
those are super fantastic. Not all that expensive either.
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 15, 2014, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 15, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
I'm looking at the older cards that are duallands such as root bound crag( I think that's what it's called) which is RG
those are super fantastic. Not all that expensive either.
IKR!!! Can't wait to build this deck it's a hydra deck but I am thinking of adding tokens to it so need the red and green because that is main hydra colours
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 15, 2014, 12:01:27 AM
It's only as expensive as you want to make it...
This is easily one of the most important things to remember. Most expensive cards have neutered alternatives, and as time goes on, you can always upgrade your deck, especially if you like it. Honestly the most expensive part is foils, because who doesn't like acquiring that 1 of foil for the EDH?
Quote from: Juice369 on May 15, 2014, 12:58:15 PM
I don't think you need an expensive mana base. For one, it's supposed to be a casual, fun format. You can have a lot of fun and drop your WUBRG general only a turn later than usual most of the time with proper fixing, maybe even sooner with ramp. My playgroup has a lot of legacy players, but even with their dual lands I can hang. For example, running Erebos, I'll win at least 1/4 with a deck that cost less than $100(that's very cheap in the Magic realm). Could that deck use a $30 Urborg? Probably, but it's 1/99 and most of the time won't even notice.
Heck, my friend who runs decks like Jeleva only spends about $40 on his, and wins a fair share. The funny part about playing against $20+ creatures is that most of them die to Doom Blade, or are just as powerful on your side with Mind Control, both cheap uncommons.
If you think you need to spend $400 or more on a deck, you might want to rethink your deck. Besides, what are you up to win with that expensive deck? $20 dealer credit at an Open event? If you really want to play that deck, go on Cockatrice, where everyone's playing $200 Mana Crypts.
I have 4 1/2 (Currently building the 5th) EDH decks. Each one is worth quite a decent amount, and they're packed with foils and promos. I don't see any problem with building expensive EDH decks, but a fun deck can be made fairly cheaply and still be pretty competitive.
Don't let the fear of a price tag bar you from one of the most fun formats out there! Just remember that first comment, it is only as expensive as you want to make it. Pick any Legendary creature you'd like (With only a few exceptions, there are 6 Legends that are not allowed as a general) and start building dude!
My current cheapest deck is 4 bucks because it's {Borborygmos Enraged} with 99 lands
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 15, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
My current cheapest deck is 4 bucks because it's {Borborygmos Enraged} with 99 lands
Dude can I steal that list for starter edh to see how the game runs?
Also, does a general count as 1/100 cards in the deck?
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 15, 2014, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 15, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
My current cheapest deck is 4 bucks because it's {Borborygmos Enraged} with 99 lands
Dude can I steal that list for starter edh to see how the game runs?
Sure. The deck sits there for 8 turns but it always has a land drop
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 15, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Also, does a general count as 1/100 cards in the deck?
he sure does.
Competitive Jhoira Commander, Costs me 25usd (converted Php - Usd) its good, just play the theme.. until i can add good and little good expensive cards little by little
i can pick that general guy up for £1.50, the most expensive thing will be sleeves
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 15, 2014, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 15, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
My current cheapest deck is 4 bucks because it's {Borborygmos Enraged} with 99 lands
Dude can I steal that list for starter edh to see how the game runs?
This sounds like a terribly boring deck that will lose a lot.
{Pacifism} will stop your deck before your commander can attack
Never feel bad about the price of you're favorite EDH deck. This format is eternal!
But is simplistic and cheap
Turn 1-7 land drop.
Turn 8 commander
Doom blade commander
Turn 9 land drop
Turn 10 land drop
Play commander
Grave pact triggers
Sac your commander
Now he cost 12 to summon
One could make a better deck with fallen empires
never played edh before, does a commander cost +2 mana every revival?
Yes
Every time a commander is sent back to the command zone, his cost increase by two colorless mana
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 15, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
My current cheapest deck is 4 bucks because it's {Borborygmos Enraged} with 99 lands
I had to smile at the simple brutality of this, I thought my land destruction bor deck was bad. I take my hat off to this
Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on May 16, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 15, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
My current cheapest deck is 4 bucks because it's {Borborygmos Enraged} with 99 lands
I had to smile at the simple brutality of this, I thought my land destruction bor deck was bad. I take my hat off to this
Thank you. I built it for a friend who wanted to try EDH
Just proxies with it, as soon as commander is out its basically game over , love it. I needed 2 edh decks and 2 standard so now I have:
Edh:
Land heavy
Selesnya token
Hydra
Standard:
Boros burn
G/W heroic