Anyone made a hydra edh deck?
Someone at my lgs has a edh hydra build Ill ask him if I can has a look next time
Cheers, really want to try it fir my first edh deck
You have 3 options for the comander if you want it too be a hydra. {Progenitus} is the best comander there. I think the deck at least needs {U} and {G}, so I would use {Vorel of the Hull Clade} if you dont mind the comander having one head.
I would venture to guess the best option would b xenagos. All the best hydras are green and red and his ability would own in a hydra deck.
{Animar, Soul Of Elements} is a good card and don't like the look of the commander suggested
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 12, 2014, 02:08:47 PM
{Animar, Soul Of Elements} is a good card and don't like the look of the commander suggested
Running him and {sword of fire and ice} would be a great option.
Might have a lo
I would guess a card like {Plaxmanta} might be some good tech for a deck such as this as well
Have a look at xenagos, sorry phone is dodgy
Plaxmanta doesn't look that good
Xenagos the reveler would be a good commander
Xenagos god of revels would be a good general card
I am running it as a very creature heavy deck
{Thromok the Insatiable}. Just saying
Speaking of which I want one
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 12, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
{{Kruphix, God of Horizons}}
Dont think this is the right build for him
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 12, 2014, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 12, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
{{Kruphix, God of Horizons}}
Dont think this is the right build for him
with al the hydras that have {X} in the cost kruphix would be really good
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 12, 2014, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 12, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
{{Kruphix, God of Horizons}}
Dont think this is the right build for him
strongly disagree. {Hydra Broodmaster}
{Mistcutter Hydra}
{Primordial Hydra}
{Vastwood Hydra}
Colorless mana put to use. Plus. As mentioned before, {G}{U} opens a lot of options for massive creatures and devastating board states with {Vorel of the Hull Clade}, {Prime Speaker Zegana}, {Momir Vig, Simic Visionary}, and {Genesis Wave}.
Don't even get me started on {Doubling Season} or {Primal Vigor}.
I just about talked myself into building a Kruphix deck.
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 12, 2014, 06:57:22 PM
I just about talked myself into building a Kruphix deck.
Y are we talking about building a Kruphix deck in a Hydra deck thread? Lol
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 12, 2014, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 12, 2014, 06:57:22 PM
I just about talked myself into building a Kruphix deck.
Y are we talking about building a Kruphix deck in a Hydra deck thread? Lol
because you need a commander and kurphix is a good option for a hydra deck
Quote from: AdamS on May 12, 2014, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 12, 2014, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 12, 2014, 06:57:22 PM
I just about talked myself into building a Kruphix deck.
Y are we talking about building a Kruphix deck in a Hydra deck thread? Lol
because you need a commander and kurphix is a good option for a hydra deck
Ahh. Gotcha. I missed that I thought we were talking about including it in a hydra deck.
Im thinking that hydras with haste and +X+X are better for some reason because I saw a guy at 1 life in FNM release draft who topdecked a Heroes Bane, made it a 32/32 and tossed it on the chariot. The other guy had a 1/1 blocker and was at 26 life.
dont see how kruphix would help that much because most mana is only from basic lands
xenagos god of revels would be brilliant for a commander because he can pump hydras more
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 13, 2014, 01:53:56 AM
xenagos god of revels would be brilliant for a commander because he can pump hydras more
xenagos pumps hydras after they are out .
kruphix lets you play {mistcutter hydra for extra mana then you have and having {G}{U} lets you also play {vorel the hull clade} which lets you use xenagos ability to make them attack with +x/+x but vorel ankes the +x/+x permanent
Quote from: AdamS on May 13, 2014, 06:28:14 AM
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 13, 2014, 01:53:56 AM
xenagos god of revels would be brilliant for a commander because he can pump hydras more
xenagos pumps hydras after they are out .
kruphix lets you play {mistcutter hydra for extra mana then you have and having {G}{B} lets you also play {vorel the hull clade} which lets you use xenagos ability to make them attack with +x/+x but vorel ankes the +x/+x permanent
Actually xenagos gives XX AND haste, which is really big for the heroes bane u just played.
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 13, 2014, 06:43:50 AM
Quote from: AdamS on May 13, 2014, 06:28:14 AM
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 13, 2014, 01:53:56 AM
xenagos god of revels would be brilliant for a commander because he can pump hydras more
xenagos pumps hydras after they are out .
kruphix lets you play {mistcutter hydra for extra mana then you have and having {G}{B} lets you also play {vorel the hull clade} which lets you use xenagos ability to make them attack with +x/+x but vorel ankes the +x/+x permanent
Actually xenagos gives XX AND haste, which is really big for the heroes bane u just played.
This is why I want xenagos, if I get multiple cards out ( and xenagos the reveler) then I can supercharge with power and hit immediately boost DPT (damage per turn) leading to a quick victory
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 13, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 13, 2014, 06:43:50 AM
Quote from: AdamS on May 13, 2014, 06:28:14 AM
Quote from: Ptsgpbk on May 13, 2014, 01:53:56 AM
xenagos god of revels would be brilliant for a commander because he can pump hydras more
xenagos pumps hydras after they are out .
kruphix lets you play {mistcutter hydra for extra mana then you have and having {G}{B} lets you also play {vorel the hull clade} which lets you use xenagos ability to make them attack with +x/+x but vorel ankes the +x/+x permanent
Actually xenagos gives XX AND haste, which is really big for the heroes bane u just played.
This is why I want xenagos, if I get multiple cards out ( and xenagos the reveler) then I can supercharge with power and hit immediately boost DPT (damage per turn) leading to a quick victory
I agree I think he gives you a good potential margin for victory. Make sure u dont build it completely for the early-mid game tho make sure u add some solid removal/wipes. I might even go with {Blood Moon} or maybe even {Jokulhaups}/{Boom/Bust}, something that can shut them down if u have xenagos and a couple nasties out
Id run something in {G} {R} {U} for all the colors of hydras and good abilities in all the colors.
I would have to agree with {Animar, Soul of Elements}. Has the right colors for hydras, mana ramp, and +1/+1 counters. Since animar doesn't care where it gets counters from you can get some really large hydras with X in the cost as well as some other big green wreckers.
I see your point, but a true Hydra deck would have a hydra commander...
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on May 13, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
I see your point, but a true Hydra deck would have a hydra commander...
Or maybe the closest relative, The Hellion!
{Thromok the Insatiable}!
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on May 13, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
I see your point, but a true Hydra deck would have a hydra commander...
Also {Ulasht The Hate seed}
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 13, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on May 13, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
I see your point, but a true Hydra deck would have a hydra commander...
Also {Ulasht The Hate seed}
Nice suggestions but either of them are as good as Xenagos.
The main difference comes when you realise ulasht is a hydra
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 13, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 13, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on May 13, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
I see your point, but a true Hydra deck would have a hydra commander...
Also {Ulasht The Hate seed}
Nice suggestions but either of them are as good as Xenagos.
I'm not sure why you want {Xenagos} as your commander that badly. A {Kruphix God of Horizons} while not a flavourful card, allows you to make MASSIVE hydras. In the same vein there's {Omnath, Locus of Mana} but that restricts your colours a bit. Now, I like Sparkles' suggestion of {Ulasht}. Flavour-wise he fits: he's a hydra. He's also two colours and has a great ability which is VERSATILE: He can be a big body, remove threats, or make blockers. I would definitely stick {Xenagos} in the deck, he's just really not as strong a commander as you think he will be. It might seem that way, but I've actually played {Xenagos} decks before: he's never a creature when you need it, and his ability is very underwhelming when EDH is so full of removal. My vote is for {Kruphix}.
Quote from: Xaol on May 14, 2014, 06:00:45 AM
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 13, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 13, 2014, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on May 13, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
I see your point, but a true Hydra deck would have a hydra commander...
Also {Ulasht The Hate seed}
Nice suggestions but either of them are as good as Xenagos.
I'm not sure why you want {Xenagos} as your commander that badly. A {Kruphix God of Horizons} while not a flavourful card, allows you to make MASSIVE hydras. In the same vein there's {Omnath, Locus of Mana} but that restricts your colours a bit. Now, I like Sparkles' suggestion of {Ulasht}. Flavour-wise he fits: he's a hydra. He's also two colours and has a great ability which is VERSATILE: He can be a big body, remove threats, or make blockers. I would definitely stick {Xenagos} in the deck, he's just really not as strong a commander as you think he will be. It might seem that way, but I've actually played {Xenagos} decks before: he's never a creature when you need it, and his ability is very underwhelming when EDH is so full of removal. My vote is for {Kruphix}.
So the main reason ur stuck on Kruphix is because you can make HUGE hydras with sickness in a format u admit is full of removal. The reason Im stuck on Xenagos is because you can make Huge hydras with haste. Ulasht is a great example of a card that should b included maindeck. You dont want such a mana intensive commander in a format with so many answers. Theres less answers for xenagos once hes on the field thats not to say there isnt any but less of them. I think he'll allow the deck to get busier faster considering most of the hydras that are being used heavily right now. In a format stuffed full of broken combos that mostly come online midgame I think Xenagos can help to do a lot of damage or at least delay that midgame lock. I can only think of a very small handful of viable hydras that arent red or green.
There are answers in every format, bud. A hydra with Xenagod as the commander is just as susceptible to removal as it is with Kruphix. Anything can be removed, it's just how necessary it is to be removed.
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 14, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
There are answers in every format, bud. A hydra with Xenagod as the commander is just as susceptible to removal as it is with Kruphix. Anything can be removed, it's just how necessary it is to be removed.
Exactly this. {Kruphix} allows anything to be a massive threat; {Xenagos} is just going to
make one a threat and not for more than a turn.
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 14, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
There are answers in every format, bud. A hydra with Xenagod as the commander is just as susceptible to removal as it is with Kruphix. Anything can be removed, it's just how necessary it is to be removed.
I believe I said exactly this. The big krux here is that most of the really good 'hydras' are red or green or both. Having kruphix as the commander completely locks u out of red and pushes you into a color that is best used in control. When I think hydras control isnt the first thing that comes to my mind. Control is its own entity u can build any creature into a control shell. OP said he wants a hydra deck not a control deck, thats all Im going off.
For tempo xena is going to force them to use removal before they may want to. With kruphix they get a turn to make a decision. Sometimes a turn can be an eternity.
Quote from: Xaol on May 14, 2014, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 14, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
There are answers in every format, bud. A hydra with Xenagod as the commander is just as susceptible to removal as it is with Kruphix. Anything can be removed, it's just how necessary it is to be removed.
Exactly this. {Kruphix} allows anything to be a massive threat; {Xenagos} is just going to
make one a threat and not for more than a turn.
in other words if you were to play {mistcutter hydra} in a xenagos deck and you pay 10 for x its a 10/10and can attack for 20 however with kruphix you can play it for 10or alot more because of kruphix's ability to save mana and have a 10/10 and you can add other stuff like {vorel the hull clade} and get a 20/20 and then use it again get a 30/30 and you can repeat it endlessly until it is removed apposed to xenagos's hydra only ever attaking for 20 where kruphix's hydra can attack for way more example of 50 in 3-4 turns run the blue and green archtype to give all creatures hexproof and flying and theres not much your opponent can do because blue has counter spells that can get rid of their boardwipes.
so just for the sake of color kruphix is better and the only "good" red hydras in my opinion are {savageborn hydra} and {apocalypse hydra} and they are easily replaced when you have 50/50 hydras with flying
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 14, 2014, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 14, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
There are answers in every format, bud. A hydra with Xenagod as the commander is just as susceptible to removal as it is with Kruphix. Anything can be removed, it's just how necessary it is to be removed.
I believe I said exactly this. The big krux here is that most of the really good 'hydras' are red or green or both. Having kruphix as the commander completely locks u out of red and pushes you into a color that is best used in control. When I think hydras control isnt the first thing that comes to my mind. Control is its own entity u can build any creature into a control shell. OP said he wants a hydra deck not a control deck, thats all Im going off.
thanks, you seem to be the only person agreeing on this
First off, you'll be missing about 5 hydras without red; there aren't that many hydras to begin with. Among those, the only ones worth their salt are {Apocalypse Hydra} and {Ulasht, the Hate Seed}.
But how does making huge hydras with Kruphix = control? Just because he would be running blue doesn't automatically mean control. Just as running green and red doesn't immediately = Aggro. You can play a color without the associated playstyle.
But here's what I'm trying to say. {G}{U} with Kruphix as the commander has greater potential as a deck than {G}{R} does. And really, that may be a matter of opinion. Running {G}{R}{U} is a very viable option also, {Animar, Soul of Elements}, {Maelstrom Wanderer}, and {Riku of Two Reflections} all are very strong commanders. But let the dude pick based on his playstyle and what his hydras want.
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 14, 2014, 04:42:49 PM
First off, you'll be missing about 5 hydras without red; there aren't that many hydras to begin with. Among those, the only ones worth their salt are {Apocalypse Hydra} and {Ulasht, the Hate Seed}.
But how does making huge hydras with Kruphix = control? Just because he would be running blue doesn't automatically mean control. Just as running green and red doesn't immediately = Aggro. You can play a color without the associated playstyle.
But here's what I'm trying to say. {G}{U} with Kruphix as the commander has greater potential as a deck than {G}{R} does. And really, that may be a matter of opinion. Running {G}{R}{U} is a very viable option also, {Animar, Soul of Elements}, {Maelstrom Wanderer}, and {Riku of Two Reflections} all are very strong commanders. But let the dude pick based on his playstyle and what his hydras want.
When I associated blue with control I was assuming most would also believe that blue's best attribute would be control. I wasnt trying to insinuate that control is the only thing one could do with blue, just that if ur running blue and u want to be competetive control is prolly ur best option. I understand the idea behind Kruphix and while I think he'll be good in spots I think Xenagos is a better option purely for the obvious aggro route he could take a 'hydra' deck in. For the record I think animar is the second best option because he also can enable a more aggressive playstyle.
all this descusion has led me to the desision to make a hydra deck with kruphix
Quote from: AdamS on May 14, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
all this descusion has led me to the desision to make a hydra deck with kruphix
A smart choice. I myself did the same last week ;) but it has a lot of nonhydras as well
Quote from: Xaol on May 14, 2014, 07:22:54 PM
Quote from: AdamS on May 14, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
all this descusion has led me to the desision to make a hydra deck with kruphix
A smart choice. I myself did the same last week ;) but it has a lot of nonhydras as well
So u mean u made a Kruphix deck with hydras?
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 14, 2014, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: Xaol on May 14, 2014, 07:22:54 PM
Quote from: AdamS on May 14, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
all this descusion has led me to the desision to make a hydra deck with kruphix
A smart choice. I myself did the same last week ;) but it has a lot of nonhydras as well
So u mean u made a Kruphix deck with hydras?
Yes! it's awesome. Blue lets me draw into the hydras, and I win by swarming them with massive hydras after an {Upheaval} or overloaded {Cyclonic Rift} or even off of {Helix Pinnacle}. Haha. Really fun deck. If you're going straight hydras maybe {Animar} is a better commander if I can't convince you that {Kruphix} is best, he's a ton of fun as well.
And also I'm gonna change what I said earlier. I think you should try out {Xenagos}. While I disagree that he's a better commander than some of the others suggested, I've been thinking about it a bit.
It's EDH, it's not meant to be competitive (generally); you can do what you want. I hate this little phrase but it applies: You do you.
If you like {Xenagos}, go for it. Do the deck that you will find to be the most fun- that's the deck you want to stick with. We can give you pointers, but I believe that when people pick a new commander, it should be a highly personally decision. We can present arguments and show you cards you might not have been aware of, but it's up to you in the end. Do the one that resonates with you! You have room to experiment. It's EDH.
When I first started playing at FNM, I was looked down upon for my homebrews. At first, yeah, they were pretty bad. G/W Angels in Mirrodin/Avacyn standard was not a good deck to be running 😜 but I kept doing homebrews and eventually they were both a) competitive and b) fun to me personally.
So go with what commander you like the most, and I at least will do my best to suggest cards I think would fit! Remember that EDH is supposed to be fun!
Quote from: Xaol on May 14, 2014, 09:43:58 PM
And also I'm gonna change what I said earlier. I think you should try out {Xenagos}. While I disagree that he's a better commander than some of the others suggested, I've been thinking about it a bit.
It's EDH, it's not meant to be competitive (generally); you can do what you want. I hate this little phrase but it applies: You do you.
If you like {Xenagos}, go for it. Do the deck that you will find to be the most fun- that's the deck you want to stick with. We can give you pointers, but I believe that when people pick a new commander, it should be a highly personally decision. We can present arguments and show you cards you might not have been aware of, but it's up to you in the end. Do the one that resonates with you! You have room to experiment. It's EDH.
When I first started playing at FNM, I was looked down upon for my homebrews. At first, yeah, they were pretty bad. G/W Angels in Mirrodin/Avacyn standard was not a good deck to be running 😜 but I kept doing homebrews and eventually they were both a) competitive and b) fun to me personally.
So go with what commander you like the most, and I at least will do my best to suggest cards I think would fit! Remember that EDH is supposed to be fun!
This is some great advice and I couldnt agree more. +1
Loved what is said here. Leaving it at :P
i know what hydras to run etc, are you able to give me cheap alternatives to shock/scrylands apart from guildgates(which i have already included), i dont care if they are old i just need some duel lands to make the deck be flexable?
There's a huge list of everything you need stickied at the top in the comprehensive guide to commander. It's a fantastic resource.
i also might run red/green/blue
just trying to get my head around kruphix, for example, if i tapped 2 islands and 2 forests but did not use the mana produced, does that mean i would get 4 colorless mana? if so, how do i represent it?
You just have to state that there's floating colorless in your mana pool. It sits there until it is expended or otherwise removed, like with {Mana Short}. And yes, you'd have 4 colorless in that scenario
so the colorless mana is there until spent or emptied by opponent spell, also couldnt i use a d20 or so to measure it?
yes.
and almost all the hydras that i think are good have an {X} in the cost so that extra mana that is stored is really going to help your hydras out so if you dont use kruphix you should use {Omnath, Locus of Mana} because he gives you the same potentialy destructive force and he does save the color (only green) and getts bigger as you store more mana
Just been looking over things, would a Selesnya token/hydra deck work?
If so I was thinking if having trostani as a general
So many options, use progenitus, then you can run kruphix, xenagos, trostani, {Ajani, Mentor of Heroes} and anything else you want