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Title: Morph
Post by: Avodroc13 on April 25, 2014, 09:09:05 PM
If someone plays a morph card face down, and I gain control of it until end of turn, can I look at the card; in hopes that I can pay it's morph cost. Furthermore, if I can pay it's morph cost and proceed to do so, when my opponent gets it back, does it turn back over or does it go back to them already flipped?
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: MisterJH on April 25, 2014, 09:22:39 PM
Ok im posting to keep up with this, i was thinking if you flippped a morph creature you kept it o.o
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: Avodroc13 on April 25, 2014, 09:25:12 PM
I'm not sure, I was just wondering if I COULD flip it if I took control of it. It's self explanatory if I could flip it then obviously I could read it.
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: MuggyWuggy on April 25, 2014, 09:28:03 PM
From onslaught mechanic description from WOTC:

{Who can look at face-down creatures? }
You can look at any face-down creatures you control. You can't look at any your opponents control. Also, whenever a face-down creature leaves play, it's revealed to everyone. At the end of the game, any face-down creatures in play are revealed to everyone. This prevents people cheating by playing cards without morph face down.


{For Morphing}:
Once you have a face-down creature in play, you have the option to turn it face up. You can do this any time you have priority. Just pay the morph cost, and turn it face up. This isn't an activated ability, and doesn't use the stack, so your opponent can't respond to it or counter it.


Title: Re: Morph
Post by: FustyDavorite on April 25, 2014, 09:29:22 PM
Yes. You may look at it.

707.5. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=707.5.): At any time, you may look at a face-down spell you control on the stack or a face-down permanent you control (even if it's phased out). You can't look at face-down cards in any other zone or face-down spells or permanents controlled by another player.

The rule only specifies the permanent being controlled, which you would.

As for turning it face up, one second
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: FustyDavorite on April 25, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
707.7. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=707.7.): The ability or rules that allow a permanent to be face down may also allow the permanent's controller to turn it face up. Spells normally can't be turned face up.

So yes, you may turn it face up for it's morph cost as long as you would control that permanent.
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: FustyDavorite on April 25, 2014, 09:33:04 PM
And yes, they would get that permanent back.

707.8. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=707.8.): As a face-down permanent is turned face up, its copiable values revert to its normal copiable values. Any effects that have been applied to the face-down permanent still apply to the face-up permanent. Any abilities relating to the permanent entering the battlefield don't trigger and don't have any effect, because the permanent has already entered the battlefield.

So if you  {Traitorous Blood} a face down permanent and turn it face up, the delayed trigger would still apply to that permanent.
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: Avodroc13 on April 25, 2014, 09:43:10 PM
Let me get this straight, I take control of a face down card, pay it's morph cost, flip it, use the ability and at end of turn, my opponent gets the permanent back, face down?
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on April 25, 2014, 09:45:18 PM
They get it back morphed (face up) cause you morphed it...
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: Avodroc13 on April 25, 2014, 09:46:47 PM
Amazing! Thanks guys, you've all helped a lot! +1
Title: Re: Morph
Post by: Tthmax on April 28, 2014, 05:01:04 PM
That's right :), works like a charm.