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Title: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Deebiia on April 03, 2014, 12:30:49 PM
Say I have a {Guttersnipe} out and cast {Worldfire} with  {Jhoira of the Ghitu}. I know that the spell will kill off the snipe and pretty much everything else, but when does the snipes ability trigger?
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on April 03, 2014, 12:42:12 PM
snipes ability will trigger when it is cast from the suspend counters running out. and before the worldfire resolves.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Pleeb on April 03, 2014, 01:26:32 PM
Exile a small burn card at the same time you exile worldfire. During your upkeep, you get to choose the order that the remove counters triggers resolve. Put the burn spell on the stack first. On turn 4, worldfire will be cast first, resolve, then your burn will be cast and kill your opponent.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Sparkle Ninja on April 03, 2014, 06:56:19 PM
The only way to {world fire} is with a {thragtusk} so you get the 3/3 beast token
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: particle on April 03, 2014, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 03, 2014, 06:56:19 PM
The only way to {world fire} is with a {thragtusk} so you get the 3/3 beast token

or just have a {goblin arsonist} in play.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Sparkle Ninja on April 03, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
Quote from: particle on April 03, 2014, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 03, 2014, 06:56:19 PM
The only way to {world fire} is with a {thragtusk} so you get the 3/3 beast token

or just have a {goblin arsonist} in play.
Arsonist states that it has to die. World fire exile everything. Thragtusk states when it leaves the battlefield
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on April 03, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
Or red instant burn spell first, then {worldfire} at instant speed with {hypersonic dragon} so the {worldfire} resolves first, and then the burn spell resolves, killing your opponent.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Sparkle Ninja on April 04, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
He meant putting it on suspend
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: particle on April 04, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 04, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
He meant putting it on suspend
i know, but {worldfire} is still a sorcery.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on April 04, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 04, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
He meant putting it on suspend
i know, but {worldfire} is still a sorcery.
If both spells are suspended and they both run out of counters at the same time they ignore speed rules, and you get to pick the order which they enter the stack.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on April 04, 2014, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 04, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
He meant putting it on suspend
i know, but {worldfire} is still a sorcery.

If it's suspended, it will resolve after worldfire. Cause it's suspended. Y'know?
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on April 05, 2014, 01:07:43 AM
I have a storm deck that utilises {worldfire}. I use {spellweaver helix} in conjunction with {worldfire} and {flame jab} as my win condition. {guttersnipe} is too situational for my liking.
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: particle on April 05, 2014, 01:28:24 AM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on April 04, 2014, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 04, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
He meant putting it on suspend
i know, but {worldfire} is still a sorcery.

If it's suspended, it will resolve after worldfire. Cause it's suspended. Y'know?

yea but suspend cards resolve during upkeep. {worldfire} is a sorcery so it cant be cast before or after the suspended resolves. y'know?
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: particle on April 05, 2014, 01:30:32 AM
Quote from: Giggle the Draco Genius on April 04, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 04, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
He meant putting it on suspend
i know, but {worldfire} is still a sorcery.
If both spells are suspended and they both run out of counters at the same time they ignore speed rules, and you get to pick the order which they enter the stack.

and how are you suspending {worldfire} again?
Title: Re: Worldfire + Snipe
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on April 05, 2014, 01:37:58 AM
Quote from: particle on April 05, 2014, 01:30:32 AM
Quote from: Giggle the Draco Genius on April 04, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 04, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: particle on April 04, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: Death, the Kid on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
{Rift Bolt}.

you still would need a way to cast {worldfire} in response. as mentioned above, {hypersonic dragon} is fine.
He meant putting it on suspend
i know, but {worldfire} is still a sorcery.
If both spells are suspended and they both run out of counters at the same time they ignore speed rules, and you get to pick the order which they enter the stack.

and how are you suspending {worldfire} again?
you  know you have derailed from the original question when....

{Jhoira of the Ghitu} which is where the question originated from.