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U/W Turn 5 Win 60 cards, 0 sideboard 4 {Hallowed Fountain} 4 {Glacial Fortress} 8 {Plains} 4 {Seachrome Coast} 20 lands 4 {Geist of Saint Traft} 2 {Silverblade Paladin} 2 {Thistledown Liege} 4 {Soldier of the Pantheon} 4 {Champion of the Parish} 4 {Judge's Familiar} 4 {Elite Inquisitor} 2 {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben} 26 creatures 4 {Honor of the Pure} 4 {Path to Exile} 2 {Steel of the Godhead} 4 {Detention Sphere} 14 other spells Sideboard Notes: All credit goes to sparkle ninja for letting me build this deck, I'm posting it with the changes l have made

I'm figuring out a sideboard too


Note again credit to sparkle ninja :)

Here are some cards that I might SB

4 {Knight of the White Orchid}
4 {Honor of the Pure}
2 {Soldier of the Pantheon}
2 {Brave the Elements}
3 {Path to Exile}

Well done. I am much impress

The way to denote blue is a U, B means black ;)

Do not call a deck a turn 5 win! Just because you are capable of it, doesn't mean you will get it.
Most decks in Modern are capable of winning turn 5, but unless your opponent gets totally mana screwed or is just an idiot, you will never just get to do whatever you want.

Edit: Is bold better?

It does almost every game. I play a similar build. It consistently wins on t5 or it doesn't. Thats kind of how it works

.... Well i like where this is going

Agrus, hes new to mtg

Mtg, you overreacted rather immaturely

Shake hands and move on, and i will not look at this deck and attempt to be constructive

Okay first off


Do not use Caps on forums please, it makes things very rude and is improper edicut


Second off, please do not insult one another. Again, please be respectful to all on the forums


Thank you :)

Id drop gwafas for more esper stormblades

Yay! happiness!

Also mtg, Agrus was not referring to you as the idiot, but your opponents

Caps to me means ur yelling

Buts that does not make it good ettiquite

Quote from: New2MTG on March 30, 2014, 11:47:50 PM
Caps to me means ur yelling

I agree. That's why Caps should not be used UNLESS* denoted by an asterisk and then later on you say

*Caps for emphasis


;)

Well anyway back to the deck, my apologys to over reacting just didn't sit well when l read it

{Silence} for the sideboard against control to keep them off of a board wipe on t4

I played a friend Saturday with this deck , he played aggro/combo deck he would take two life and sack a land on his turns so to make a long story short on my turn 4 I gad these cards in play

2 judges familier
1 zealous guardian
1 thisltedown liege

He had 8 life and no cards in play or counter spells so do the math

Silence is definitely good, also the one that gives all youe white creatures protection from a color, you have a lot of white

Ok I'll look for those

Quote from: MisterJH on March 30, 2014, 11:59:03 PM
Silence is definitely good, also the one that gives all youe white creatures protection from a color, you have a lot of white

You mean brave the elements

Yeah, it seems people took my message weird. I wasn't try to yell, it was in Caps because its important. We have people in my area calling all of their decks "Turn 3 wins" and such, and I get annoyed. No deck can consistently win on a prescribed turn, if it could, everyone would run it and Wizards would ban the heck out of it. Just remember, your opponent won't just sit there, you have to work around removal, board wipes and counterspells.

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 31, 2014, 12:33:46 AM
Yeah, it seems people took my message weird. I wasn't try to yell, it was in Caps because its important. We have people in my area calling all of their decks "Turn 3 wins" and such, and I get annoyed. No deck can consistently win on a prescribed turn, if it could, everyone would run it and Wizards would ban the heck out of it. Just remember, your opponent won't just sit there, you have to work around removal, board wipes and counterspells.

My hive mind deck usually combos out turn three and wins... If it doesn't it means I don't have hive mind.

Doesnt make it a turn 3 win deck is what hes trying to say, sure it CAN, sure it MIGHT often, but a well placed instant speed enchantment removal will still ruin you, returning hive mid to your hand will send you to turn 4, hes just saying nothing is a guaranteed 'win on turn X' deck because everything has an answer in mtg. Thats all hes trying to say and its hard to argue hes wrong. If hes wrong about any deck then as he said that deck will soon be banned im sure

Quote from: MisterJH on March 31, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Doesnt make it a turn 3 win deck is what hes trying to say, sure it CAN, sure it MIGHT often, but a well placed instant speed enchantment removal will still ruin you, returning hive mid to your hand will send you to turn 4, hes just saying nothing is a guaranteed 'win on turn X' deck because everything has an answer in mtg. Thats all hes trying to say and its hard to argue hes wrong. If hes wrong about any deck then as he said that deck will soon be banned im sure

I can play a pact in response which forces the copy on it and still wins me the game. All the pacts are instant speed

.... Youre arguing on tangents here, unless every single game you win turn 3 precisely, and theres no way to lose, then its not a 'turn 3 win'

Im just trying to get people to see the common logic presented by agrus, but i digress

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 31, 2014, 12:47:44 AM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 31, 2014, 12:33:46 AM
Yeah, it seems people took my message weird. I wasn't try to yell, it was in Caps because its important. We have people in my area calling all of their decks "Turn 3 wins" and such, and I get annoyed. No deck can consistently win on a prescribed turn, if it could, everyone would run it and Wizards would ban the heck out of it. Just remember, your opponent won't just sit there, you have to work around removal, board wipes and counterspells.

My hive mind deck usually combos out turn three and wins... If it doesn't it means I don't have hive mind.

Again, you still have to work around counterspells and removal. If they counter your {Hive Mind}, you don't win. Yes, you have {Pact of Negation}, but you aren't guaranteed to have it and they could always counter that. You also have to draw well and get the right conditions to accelerate to the "Turn 3 win". You are missing the point: The reason Magic is such a difficult game to master, and such a successful game, is that you have to deal with two variables you can't control: your opponent and chance.

Also: have fun countering my {Krosan Grip}...

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 31, 2014, 12:54:47 AM

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 31, 2014, 12:47:44 AM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 31, 2014, 12:33:46 AM
Yeah, it seems people took my message weird. I wasn't try to yell, it was in Caps because its important. We have people in my area calling all of their decks "Turn 3 wins" and such, and I get annoyed. No deck can consistently win on a prescribed turn, if it could, everyone would run it and Wizards would ban the heck out of it. Just remember, your opponent won't just sit there, you have to work around removal, board wipes and counterspells.

My hive mind deck usually combos out turn three and wins... If it doesn't it means I don't have hive mind.

Again, you still have to work around counterspells and removal. If they counter your {Hive Mind}, you don't win. Yes, you have {Pact of Negation}, but you aren't guaranteed to have it and they could always counter that. You also have to draw well and get the right conditions to accelerate to the "Turn 3 win". You are missing the point: The reason Magic is such a difficult game to master, and such a successful game, is that you have to deal with two variables you can't control: your opponent and chance.

Also: have fun countering my {Krosan Grip}...

There ya go. Finally something I can't counter!

Updated

Still needs {honor of the pure}

Quote from: Spencer Addington on April 14, 2014, 07:38:05 PM
Still needs {honor of the pure}

Have 4 in my SB

Quote from: New2MTG on March 30, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
I played a friend Saturday with this deck , he played aggro/combo deck he would take two life and sack a land on his turns so to make a long story short on my turn 4 I gad these cards in play

2 judges familier
1 zealous guardian
1 thisltedown liege

He had 8 life and no cards in play or counter spells so do the math

Why was he saccing a land every turn?

Quote from: griffin131 on April 14, 2014, 09:28:25 PM

Quote from: New2MTG on March 30, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
I played a friend Saturday with this deck , he played aggro/combo deck he would take two life and sack a land on his turns so to make a long story short on my turn 4 I gad these cards in play

2 judges familier
1 zealous guardian
1 thisltedown liege

He had 8 life and no cards in play or counter spells so do the math

Why was he saccing a land every turn?

I believe he was cycling

Looking to beef up the deck a little any suggestion

{Geist of Saint Traft} has been wrecking face for me

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 22, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
{Geist of Saint Traft} has been wrecking face for me

Such a good card.  I regret trading my holo when the set first came out

Quote from: cltrn81 on April 22, 2014, 07:01:56 PM

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 22, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
{Geist of Saint Traft} has been wrecking face for me

Such a good card.  I regret trading my holo when the same first came out

I still have one

Last night I went 1-3, then picked up a 3 rd detention sphere threw a trade and l have one Mirran crusader that l traded Dstyle1 for

{knight of meadowgrain} is better than {elite inquisitor}. If your a fan of the vigilance, {serra avenger} is great.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on April 22, 2014, 08:52:21 PM
{knight of meadowgrain} is better than {elite inquisitor}. If your a fan of the vigilance, {serra avenger} is great.

I tried that in the original build when I realised having the blocker against zoo was uber important especially since a first strike blocker is super good there

I beat living end on turn 4

Quote from: Taysby on April 22, 2014, 11:18:46 PM

Quote from: New2MTG on April 22, 2014, 11:07:49 PM
I beat living end on turn 4

That's cause it does nothing till like turn 5 or 6. All aggro decks kill it.  :P

Combo decks and control decks do too. Living end loses to a lot....

Updated

I like what you've done (Taysby) but three blue on Cryptic command is actually bad in this deck. Meddling Mage is nice but Thistledown Leige is his finisher in the deck and it should probably stay

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 03, 2014, 11:39:34 PM
I like what you've done (Taysby) but three blue on Cryptic command is actually bad in this deck. Meddling Mage is nice but Thistledown Leige is his finisher in the deck and it should probably stay

I disagree. Triple blue is simple with 7 main boarded fetches

Quote from: DylanW18 on May 04, 2014, 12:58:41 AM

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 03, 2014, 11:39:34 PM
I like what you've done (Taysby) but three blue on Cryptic command is actually bad in this deck. Meddling Mage is nice but Thistledown Leige is his finisher in the deck and it should probably stay

I disagree. Triple blue is simple with 7 main boarded fetches

that don't search for blur except hallowed fountain?

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on May 04, 2014, 01:15:40 AM

Quote from: DylanW18 on May 04, 2014, 12:58:41 AM

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 03, 2014, 11:39:34 PM
I like what you've done (Taysby) but three blue on Cryptic command is actually bad in this deck. Meddling Mage is nice but Thistledown Leige is his finisher in the deck and it should probably stay

I disagree. Triple blue is simple with 7 main boarded fetches

that don't search for blur except hallowed fountain?

17/20 lands either have blue or search blue.
So I don't see the problem.