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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Coffee Vampire on April 01, 2012, 02:41:02 PM

Title: Mercy Killing
Post by: Coffee Vampire on April 01, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Would {Mercy Killing} make my opponent gain any tokens if I used it on a {Primordial Hydra}?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Tetsomori on April 01, 2012, 02:57:48 PM
Whatever the current power is on the hydra would be the amount of tokens granted. So yes it would
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Quackmaster5 on April 01, 2012, 03:06:16 PM
I use mercy killing in a couple of decks to either use on my creatures or opponents. When it comes to a {primordial hydra} best combo I can think of to get rid of it using {mercy killing} and not give alot of tokens is to combo it with {snake form}.
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Tetsomori on April 01, 2012, 03:48:32 PM
{turn to frog} ftw :)
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: BadLuckIrish on April 01, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
{Act of treason} then mercy killings. Noe you get the tokens
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Coffee Vampire on April 01, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
Thanks everyone. I was wondering because I wasn't sure if counters effected the innitial power (0). *sigh* I love mercy killing...
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Quackmaster5 on April 01, 2012, 04:55:50 PM
{act of treason} is definately a better choice but I was staying with similar colors.
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Spikepit on April 01, 2012, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Tetsomori on April 01, 2012, 03:48:32 PM
{turn to frog} ftw :)
HA! Right on!
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: BlackJester on April 01, 2012, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on April 01, 2012, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Tetsomori on April 01, 2012, 03:48:32 PM
{turn to frog} ftw :)
HA! Right on!

Erm, you don't want to be playing {Turn to Frog} on your opponent's {Primal Hydra}. It will just make it a 1/1 with a whole bunch of +1/+1 counters. {Turn to Frog} wont remove any counters already on it.

Edit: Same goes for {Snakeform}, in case you were wondering.
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Quackmaster5 on April 01, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Why is thAt? Because counters would be seperate and just tack onto the new form?
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Harmon1c on April 01, 2012, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on April 01, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Why is thAt? Because counters would be seperate and just tack onto the new form?

Exactly.
The hydra is X/X with the +1/+1 counters being X.
Turning it into either a frog or a snake would make it a 1/1.
The counters still exist, and now since the hydra is a 1/1, it now has power and toughness equal to the +1/+1 counters plus the base 1/1.

E.g.
10/10 hydra.
Turn frog/snake
11/11 hydra until effect wears off.
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: Tetsomori on April 01, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
Thought the timestamp effect made it lose the benefits of the +1+1 counters?
Title: Re: Mercy Killing
Post by: BlackJester on April 01, 2012, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: Tetsomori on April 01, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
Thought the timestamp effect made it lose the benefits of the +1+1 counters?
The counters are not affected by timestamp, they are always in effect unless removed. The Hydra will lose its other abilities though.