Ok so I have two {Agent of the Fates} and a {Thassa, God of the Sea} on the battlefield and I cast a {Hidden Stings} targeting Agent 1 tapping him triggering his Heroic ( now I'm pretty sure I can target him again and untap him with the second part of the spell but the Heroic will not trigger) so I target my opponents untapped creature then encode (I'm pretty sure encoding dosnt trigger Heroic) {Hidden Strings} on Agent 2 then attack with him after making him unblockable with Thassa. So I guess what my real question is is when I cast the encoded {Hidden Strings} on Agent 2 to untap agents 1&2 will it trigger both heroics?
{hidden strings} says another target so you can't target the same agent twice. and even if you could, heroic counts the spells targetting not the number of times targetted by a spell.
Quote from: particle on March 24, 2014, 03:28:54 AM
{hidden strings} says another target so you can't target the same agent twice. and even if you could, heroic counts the spells targetting not the number of times targetted by a spell.
ya I understand the part about heroic being targeted by the same spell twice and your right it says "another" not "different" ex. so if I was to have a shot of whiskey then i had "another" how many have I had? But that wasn't realy the question. Hope I'm not coming across as a jerk, I better have another shot and go to bed🍻😜🎉
Quote from: Wizardmook on March 24, 2014, 07:08:00 AM
You won't be able to target him twice. As for the encoding question once you cipher it on the second agent and then attack you can target both and the heroic will activate on both.
It's not a spell once it ciphers. It would be an effect.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 24, 2014, 07:11:21 AM
Quote from: Wizardmook on March 24, 2014, 07:08:00 AM
You won't be able to target him twice. As for the encoding question once you cipher it on the second agent and then attack you can target both and the heroic will activate on both.
It's not a spell once it ciphers. It would be an effect.
But you still cast it and it targets, so i are confused as well. O.o i could see how both arguments would go, OFFICIAL RULINGS PLEEZ, wheres the people with te official rulings
You'll get your triggers.
702.98a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=702.98a): Cipher appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two abilities. The first is a spell ability that functions while the spell with cipher is on the stack. The second is a static ability that functions while the card with cipher is in the exile zone. "Cipher" means "If this spell is represented by a card, you may exile this card encoded on a creature you control" and "For as long as this card is encoded on that creature, that creature has 'Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may copy the encoded card and you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.'"
Key part here is [cast the copy]
Ramillo has the answer you were looking for. Some clarification regarding some assumptions you rear making in your question. You may choose to untap an already untapped creature with hidden strings. Hidden strings is just looking for a permanent and doesn't care it is currently tapped or not. This means you can cast it on a creature to untap it and in response tap him for something else and have him untap at resolution. Untapping an already untapped creature this way will trigger heroic because heroic is only looking for the spell targeting your creature, it doesn't care about resolution or effect.
Thanks a lot everyone for all your help.
Just so I'm Absolutley clear though, I can't trigger the heroic ability twice of {Agent of the Fates} with the initial casting of {Hidden Strings}?
thats right its only one spell regardless of how many times it targets
Quote from: Pretch on March 24, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
Thanks a lot everyone for all your help.
Just so I'm Absolutley clear though, I can't trigger the heroic ability twice of {Agent of the Fates} with the initial casting of {Hidden Strings}?
You can't trigger heroic twice with the same spell. If you have two agents of fate in play like in your original question, you can target both of them with the original spell and heroic will trigger for each of them.