{Contagion Engine}
I have been wondering if you use the minus effect of planeswalker are there minus counters on it for contagion engine to add more onto?
I was wondering the same for creatures?
Also if a creature receives a -1 then get two +1's is the -1 still there for contagion engine to use?
All of these are tied together off of contagion engine=]
Quote from: Ibtrickey on March 18, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
{Contagion Engine}
I have been wondering if you use the minus effect of planeswalker are there minus counters on it for contagion engine to add more onto?
When you use a planeswalkers' ability you use up counters, but these counters are not negative counters
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I was wondering the same for creatures?
Also if a creature receives a -1 then get two +1's is the -1 still there for contagion engine to use?
All of these are tied together off of contagion engine=]
Although a +1 counter negates a -1 counter math wise, they are both separate counters.
Proliferate increases the number of counters
So if you were to proliferate something with 2 different counters (-1) (+1) you would get an additional counter of each
So two -1s and two +1s
So contagion engines tap ability does work on planeswalkers also the wording says permanents so it would work for enchantments as well I do believe so in all a decent card
Quote from: Noblellama on March 19, 2014, 12:04:19 AM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on March 18, 2014, 10:06:41 PM
Quote from: Ibtrickey on March 18, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
{Contagion Engine}
I have been wondering if you use the minus effect of planeswalker are there minus counters on it for contagion engine to add more onto?
When you use a planeswalkers' ability you use up counters, but these counters are not negative counters
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I was wondering the same for creatures?
Also if a creature receives a -1 then get two +1's is the -1 still there for contagion engine to use?
All of these are tied together off of contagion engine=]
Although a +1 counter negates a -1 counter math wise, they are both separate counters.
Proliferate increases the number of counters
So if you were to proliferate something with 2 different counters (-1) (+1) you would get an additional counter of each
So two -1s and two +1s
This is incorrect
As stated in (citing rule in a moment) +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters negate and are REMOVED
704.5r (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=704.5r): If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.
OOOOH did not know this! Sweet job llama. That's interesting to me. +1
Also, relevant ruling:
602.1a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=602.1a): The activation cost is everything before the colon (:). An ability's activation cost must be paid by the player who is activating it.
Example: The activation cost of an ability that reads "{2}, {T}: You gain 1 life" is two mana of any type plus tapping the permanent that has the ability.
If you'll notice on, let's say {Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded} (because lol he suck), there's a tiny colon right after the whole loyalty counter thing. The cost for a planeswalker's activated ability is to add or remove loyalty counters from it. So yeah.
Bahaha it reads the ruling's (: ) portion as a smiley face.