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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: ImTheGuy on March 18, 2014, 07:50:55 PM

Title: Milling
Post by: ImTheGuy on March 18, 2014, 07:50:55 PM
Let's say the opponent has 1 card in their library. If I make them mill ten, do they lose there on the spot or next turn when they have to draw?
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on March 18, 2014, 07:54:12 PM
They would not lose until they have to draw a card.

104.3c (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=104.3c): If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: MuggyWuggy on March 18, 2014, 07:54:17 PM
104.3c If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: ImTheGuy on March 18, 2014, 07:56:03 PM
Awesome. Thanks and +1
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: ibtrickey on March 18, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
That is interesting.. seems like a downside to milling
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: MuggyWuggy on March 18, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
I believe that is the point of milling?

Forcing your opponents deck into GY so they lose to draw loss/lack of available answers
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: MuggyWuggy on March 18, 2014, 10:08:20 PM
Resolved
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on March 19, 2014, 12:53:47 AM
Good times in scars of mirrodin block {blue sun's zenith} people to death
Title: Re: Milling
Post by: Pleeb on March 19, 2014, 01:16:59 AM
Quote from: Giggleflat on March 18, 2014, 07:54:12 PM
They would not lose until they have to draw a card.

104.3c (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=104.3c): If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

Be careful with this. Most of the recent mill cards aren't drawing. Cards like {doorkeeper}, {consuming aberition}, and {mind grind} puts cards or reveals cards, and doesn't cause a player to draw cards.  If an effect like this causes a player to empty his/her library, they won't lose the game until they draw a card, most likely at their next draw phase.