Accused: Mlerner12
Victim: Thetrufflehunter
Crime: on July 29th, 2013 mlerner hosted an essay contest. I submitted. After about a month and a half I reminded him of the contest, to which he told me I'd won, as there were 2 submissions and mine was better. I gave him my address, and he told me he'd send some packs. After not receiving anything, I reminded him on October 3rd or thereabouts. He told me he would send a {Kalonian hydra}, then valued at $20. In late JANUARY I reminded him yet again, and he told me he'd send me packs once he got some for his birthday. I reminded him around February 13, and he said he'd pick me up as many packs as he could buy that Friday, as he doesn't have a ton of money. That was one week from today. I have not gotten anymore notifications from him and I have been patiently waiting 7 MONTHS.
I sent a few Theros boosters and a few cards out a few days ago. If nothing by next Monday I'll get more stuff.
Thank you. Next time please notify me.
Calm down. This is more about him keeping his word. Also, writing essays isn't my favorite pastime :P
Quote from: Potticus on February 21, 2014, 07:06:24 PM
So bitching about free stuff? Awesome trial.
Glad we have the section to resolve things.
Isn't that pretty much the same as the trial above about with half the people?
Quote from: Potticus on February 21, 2014, 07:06:24 PM
So bitching about free stuff? Awesome trial.
Glad we have the section to resolve things.
Lying is a valid charge on these forums.
Mlerner dropping the ball again...
And again. Send, goshdarnit.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 07, 2014, 09:36:59 PM
And again. Send, goshdarnit.
I don't think he's coming back to the forums... If you want justice, have someone who has his address write a letter to his parents.
Anyone who has his address, PM me.
Thank you to all of you! I woke up to three people giving me addresses (all matching) and an email, which I have a different one of his. Now, to get in touch with his parents!
May want to label it to mr or mrs so his parents do open it
Quote from: Rass on March 08, 2014, 10:47:21 AM
May want to label it to mr or mrs so his parents do open it
I am planning on it. I'll probably post a picture of it in a thread so you guys know what's going on :)
👍
Alive.
I PM'd Truffle.
He speaks! As stated in the PM, he has seven business days starting today for my and Lolrus's stuff to be received. After that, the letter will be sent. Does this work with all of you?
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 08, 2014, 12:08:59 PM
He speaks! As stated in the PM, he has seven business days starting today for my and Lolrus's stuff to be received. After that, the letter will be sent. Does this work with all of you?
my suggestion is to register the mail so the little .poo. can't just throw your letter away.
Quote from: Raiderrob on March 08, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 08, 2014, 12:08:59 PM
He speaks! As stated in the PM, he has seven business days starting today for my and Lolrus's stuff to be received. After that, the letter will be sent. Does this work with all of you?
my suggestion is to register the mail so the little .poo. can't just throw your letter away.
Register?
If I didn't want to send I wouldn't throw it away, I would just not send. Unless you're not being literal. In which case the letters will be in the post office when I get home from hockey.
By register you mean pay for tracking?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 08, 2014, 04:23:56 PM
If I didn't want to send I wouldn't throw it away, I would just not send. Unless you're not being literal. In which case the letters will be in the post office when I get home from hockey.
Did you ever send my cards?
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 08, 2014, 02:11:16 PM
Quote from: Raiderrob on March 08, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 08, 2014, 12:08:59 PM
He speaks! As stated in the PM, he has seven business days starting today for my and Lolrus's stuff to be received. After that, the letter will be sent. Does this work with all of you?
my suggestion is to register the mail so the little .poo. can't just throw your letter away.
Register?
Registered mail requires a signer at the post office, and I'm guessing the will only let an adult sign for the letter.
Edit: maybe it's called signature confirmation now.
I can't believe this is still an issue...
How many trials with Learner before you guys stop dealing with him in contests or otherwise.
I'm sure he's a good guy... But accountable.... Well...
I love the smell of ban In the evening
Quote from: Stromack on March 10, 2014, 06:23:34 PM
I love the smell of ban In the evening
Baked ban with a nice spicy sauce
Now I prefer a ban burrito with pico de gallo and fresh jalapeños. It has a nice kick that keeps you on your toes.
Stay on topic and stop jacking up your post counts guys ;)
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 10, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
Stay on topic and stop jacking up your post counts guys ;)
yeah! That's my job.......Wait... How did I get here?
Its kind of petty to get him in trouble if hes already left the forums.. Just my 2 cents, ok you wrote an essay voluntarily and didnt get te free stuff you 'deserve'
This happens to me daily in some form or another, its called life. Ish happens, mailing a letter to his parents 1)is just strange as you didnt even have his address, you had to get it from someone else and
2) pointless because it solves nothing
Of course just my 2 cents but i firmly believe in letting shiznit go, cmon people just because 1 side is immature doesnt mean we have to be
(Let the negative karma come)
Quote from: MisterJH on March 12, 2014, 12:24:23 AM
Its kind of petty to get him in trouble if hes already left the forums.. Just my 2 cents, ok you wrote an essay voluntarily and didnt get te free stuff you 'deserve'
This happens to me daily in some form or another, its called life. Ish happens, mailing a letter to his parents 1)is just strange as you didnt even have his address, you had to get it from someone else and
2) pointless because it solves nothing
Of course just my 2 cents but i firmly believe in letting shiznit go, cmon people just because 1 side is immature doesnt mean we have to be
(Let the negative karma come)
Let's say your teacher gives you an assignment and if you do the best out of all your fellow students, you get some fancy dudad. Now lets say your teacher declared you the winner and promised you your prize in front of all your fellow students. Would it not irritate you that your teacher fail to follow through on something you worked for and were promised? Lying is against imtg law. Breaking a promise is lying. If you can't follow through, don't commit. Simple, easy and straight to the point. I get that he's a kid, but slacking off on responsibility is not acceptable. I'm sure if I did this when I was 13, and my mother found out, she would guarantee that everyone got their cards then I would get a severe wiping. Rightly so I might add.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 12, 2014, 12:36:53 AM
Quote from: MisterJH on March 12, 2014, 12:24:23 AM
Its kind of petty to get him in trouble if hes already left the forums.. Just my 2 cents, ok you wrote an essay voluntarily and didnt get te free stuff you 'deserve'
This happens to me daily in some form or another, its called life. Ish happens, mailing a letter to his parents 1)is just strange as you didnt even have his address, you had to get it from someone else and
2) pointless because it solves nothing
Of course just my 2 cents but i firmly believe in letting shiznit go, cmon people just because 1 side is immature doesnt mean we have to be
(Let the negative karma come)
Let's say your teacher gives you an assignment and if you do the best out of all your fellow students, you get some fancy dudad. Now lets say your teacher declared you the winner and promised you your prize in front of all your fellow students. Would it not irritate you that your teacher fail to follow through on something you worked for and were promised? Lying is against imtg law. Breaking a promise is lying. If you can't follow through, don't commit. Simple, easy and straight to the point. I get that he's a kid, but slacking off on responsibility is not acceptable. I'm sure if I did this when I was 13, and my mother found out, she would guarantee that everyone got their cards then I would get a severe wiping. Rightly so I might add.
Breaking a promise isn't always lying, sometimes life gets in the way of future commitments. Not defending Mlerner12, but breaking a promise shouldn't count as lying. If I promise to pick you up from the airport and I get into an accident on the way, I didn't lie to you, but I did have I break the promise.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 12, 2014, 12:36:53 AM
Quote from: MisterJH on March 12, 2014, 12:24:23 AM
Its kind of petty to get him in trouble if hes already left the forums.. Just my 2 cents, ok you wrote an essay voluntarily and didnt get te free stuff you 'deserve'
This happens to me daily in some form or another, its called life. Ish happens, mailing a letter to his parents 1)is just strange as you didnt even have his address, you had to get it from someone else and
2) pointless because it solves nothing
Of course just my 2 cents but i firmly believe in letting shiznit go, cmon people just because 1 side is immature doesnt mean we have to be
(Let the negative karma come)
Let's say your teacher gives you an assignment and if you do the best out of all your fellow students, you get some fancy dudad. Now lets say your teacher declared you the winner and promised you your prize in front of all your fellow students. Would it not irritate you that your teacher fail to follow through on something you worked for and were promised? Lying is against imtg law. Breaking a promise is lying. If you can't follow through, don't commit. Simple, easy and straight to the point. I get that he's a kid, but slacking off on responsibility is not acceptable. I'm sure if I did this when I was 13, and my mother found out, she would guarantee that everyone got their cards then I would get a severe wiping. Rightly so I might add.
You know what? NO! It happened to me! That exact example! And guess what? I took the compliment on my good grade, and moved on. Because my teacher owes me not a darned thing. First of all one's word means less and less these days, its something everyone has to accept not just you. Also, theres no binding legal agreement, he owes you nothing as he has taken nothing. All you lost was time you spent choosing to do a contest. Basically you got scammed minus without any of the detriments. How many thousands of people lose money each year to scams and never get it back? You can choose to get upset, just like ive chosen to post my opinion. I just think if you took a step back youd realize its really not accomplishing anything to get him in trouble, unless you get some weird sense of satisfaction out of punishing a child for not giving you free things.
Quote from: Taysby on March 12, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
This is a bit of an exaggeration. Say you went on who wants to be a millionaire and won the million dollars and they never gave you the money. You would want it. It's the same thing here.
Except its not a million dollars, and theyre legally obligated to do so. And you can also do something about that such as sue. And a million dollars changes the severity versus a couple of packs of cards. Although if i did randomly just walk into who wants to be a millionaire off the street and won it all and they didnt get it, how upset could i truly be? I didnt have a million dollars before, and ill continue not having a million dollars. And after 7 months id surely have moved on.
Quote from: Noblellama on March 12, 2014, 01:37:43 PM
Taysby is right, because it was offered openly, and a submission was declared winner, there is a legally binding contract via use of civil law and the use of promissory estoppel. Legally, if someone wanted to they could sue him, however, due to the fact that he is under the age of 14 he cannot be held liable for ANY contract.
This is why I now refuse to trade with anyone under the age of 14 :)
If they can't or don't intend to keep their word then I don't want to associate with them.
Which means im right, not taysby.
And yes, thats a thing. Minors can't sign their own release forms what makes you think they can formulate and be held liable to a binding legal contract. Although id still say this is too much if he were 20, the fact that hes just a kid makes it all moot. Whatever though what do i know.
P.S. No hard feelings on my end ive just been rather cynical lately.
Quote from: MisterJH on March 12, 2014, 03:03:30 PM
P.S. No hard feelings on my end ive just been rather cynical lately.
Debate is always good in my opinion. Especially if we can keep it civil. You never know you might enlighten someone with a different point of view.
And i understand if he wishes to do so he can, i just was in a very disagreeable mood at the time. Not that i agree now i just dont feel so strongly now that im not so grumpy in general.
Can you guys just get over this and accept the lesson to be had?
Don't trade with a 12 year old...
You are all harassing him about some binding legal contract (which is bullshit btw, just saying) and starting to forget the fact that he is 12.
I understand that he should be held accountable for his actions but seriously? Get over it.
I will not ban myself from trading with 12 year olds, because I am 12, and on the TT list 11 or so times. Age is irrelevant.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 13, 2014, 06:47:15 PM
I will not ban myself from trading with 12 year olds, because I am 12, and on the TT list 11 or so times. Age is irrelevant.
No, it isnt. There's a definite level of maturity that the majority of people under the age of 15 do not posess yet. Though you may be trusted, age is relevant.
It's really starting to piss me off that you guys wont just leave him alone. He lied, he isnt a theif and he isnt a bad person.
Quote from: Slenderbro on March 13, 2014, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 13, 2014, 06:47:15 PM
I will not ban myself from trading with 12 year olds, because I am 12, and on the TT list 11 or so times. Age is irrelevant.
No, it isnt. There's a definite level of maturity that the majority of people under the age of 15 do not posess yet. Though you may be trusted, age is relevant.
It's really starting to piss me off that you guys wont just leave him alone. He lied, he isnt a theif and he isnt a bad person.
Ah, I think you're somehow missing my point, or I'm not making it clear. I like Mlerner, and think he's a good dude. This is a way to clear his name, if only by a smidgen. Lolrus got his stuff, and if/when I get my stuff, then he has made progress instead of no one getting stuff. Agreed?
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
1- I have morals, even when I was 12
2- how many time can u think that you will follow through and then... Don't?
3- it is fair for him to be banned, he has ripped people off, just like other people have done that have gotten banned
4- people have been banned for less, so why is this excusable?
5- it's called morals and ethics people!
Quote from: Arbitratur on March 14, 2014, 04:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
1- I have morals, even when I was 12
2- how many time can u think that you will follow through and then... Don't?
3- it is fair for him to be banned, he has ripped people off, just like other people have done that have gotten banned
4- people have been banned for less, so why is this excusable?
5- it's called morals and ethics people!
To be fair to Mlerner he didn't actually rip people off, just sent slow. And I don't see how #1 has anything to do with his statement.
Quote from: Mishra, Artificer Extraordinaire on March 14, 2014, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on March 14, 2014, 04:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
1- I have morals, even when I was 12
2- how many time can u think that you will follow through and then... Don't?
3- it is fair for him to be banned, he has ripped people off, just like other people have done that have gotten banned
4- people have been banned for less, so why is this excusable?
5- it's called morals and ethics people!
To be fair to Mlerner he didn't actually rip people off, just sent slow. And I don't see how #1 has anything to do with his statement.
I agree, now that everyone has received promised cards, who was ripped off? His morals and ethics have nothing to do with his ability to get to a post office. he kept his promises, and so no punishment should be dealt to him, just keep in mind that past trades have been slow and he may not have the freedom or ability to send his cards whenever he wants.
Quote from: IceScythe on March 14, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: Mishra, Artificer Extraordinaire on March 14, 2014, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on March 14, 2014, 04:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
1- I have morals, even when I was 12
2- how many time can u think that you will follow through and then... Don't?
3- it is fair for him to be banned, he has ripped people off, just like other people have done that have gotten banned
4- people have been banned for less, so why is this excusable?
5- it's called morals and ethics people!
To be fair to Mlerner he didn't actually rip people off, just sent slow. And I don't see how #1 has anything to do with his statement.
I agree, now that everyone has received promised cards, who was ripped off? His morals and ethics have nothing to do with his ability to get to a post office. he kept his promises, and so no punishment should be dealt to him, just keep in mind that past trades have been slow and he may not have the freedom or ability to send his cards whenever he wants.
Punishment should be dealt. Not as severely as, say, Ertai. But still punishment.
I think that a 4 month trial to force him to send cards is the same as ripping people off. If said trial never took place, he never would have sent. By morals I am saying doing the right thing and following through with your actions, ON YOUR OWN, not by being forced to do the right thing.
I want to know why you think I wouldn't send without being forced to.
Because you didn't?...
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
I want to know why you think I wouldn't send without being forced to.
Track record. I still haven't gotten my cards...
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
You have no room to question me. I'm not in a trial. I'm not irresponsible.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
I want to know why you think I wouldn't send without being forced to.
...b.e.c.a.u.s.e...... You didn't
If you just admitted that you were wrong and made it right immediately thereafter then it would of been a different story.. I think it's your arrogance about the whole situation that really bothers me
I don't think it's arrogance so much as... Uncaring so much.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 14, 2014, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
You have no room to question me. I'm not in a trial. I'm not irresponsible.
If you're using that logic I will too.
In this trial, I am both accused and defense Attourney. I am presenting my counter argument and cross examination question for you, the witness.
And that was really you squirming out of the question, no?
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Quote from: Mlerner12 on March 14, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 13, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 13, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
We were all once twelve. Except maybe me. I never age. But the rest of you were twelve and would you, honestly, do what Mlearner said he would do? some of you will say yes but then you realise that you didn't have a lot of money to invest into getting that one card. I'm supporting him because its not completely fair to him if he gets banned. I mean he's twelve and all you did to get this stuff was write something
I would never offer to do something if I knew I couldn't follow through...
You would if you thought you could follow through, though?
You have no room to question me. I'm not in a trial. I'm not irresponsible.
If you're using that logic I will too.
In this trial, I am both accused and defense Attourney. I am presenting my counter argument and cross examination question for you, the witness.
And that was really you squirming out of the question, no?
I would indeed, but I don't offer cards for trade, then don't send. It's been about three months dude.
Quote from: donnie355 on March 15, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
I do believe this isn't a site for me. I understand the kid lied but come on life goes on. I'm probably the oldest person on this app. I'm sure you have heard burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on ME.... You guys remind me of kids on the playground. I'M TELLING ON YOU...... Come on guys just stop dealing with the kid. Just my 2 sense 😉
So because he's a child he should get away with anything? No punishment or making him own up to his mistakes?
Quote from: donnie355 on March 15, 2014, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 15, 2014, 04:11:12 PM
Quote from: donnie355 on March 15, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
I do believe this isn't a site for me. I understand the kid lied but come on life goes on. I'm probably the oldest person on this app. I'm sure you have heard burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on ME.... You guys remind me of kids on the playground. I'M TELLING ON YOU...... Come on guys just stop dealing with the kid. Just my 2 sense 😉
So because he's a child he should get away with anything? No punishment or making him own up to his mistakes?
What are we gaining? He's in the wrong? He's untrustworthy? He's this or that? Can't live in the past guys, move forward.
That logic is making me sick.
Quote from: donnie355 on March 15, 2014, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 15, 2014, 04:11:12 PM
Quote from: donnie355 on March 15, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
I do believe this isn't a site for me. I understand the kid lied but come on life goes on. I'm probably the oldest person on this app. I'm sure you have heard burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on ME.... You guys remind me of kids on the playground. I'M TELLING ON YOU...... Come on guys just stop dealing with the kid. Just my 2 sense 😉
So because he's a child he should get away with anything? No punishment or making him own up to his mistakes?
What are we gaining? He's in the wrong? He's untrustworthy? He's this or that? Can't live in the past guys, move forward.
So true but there has to be some conclusion. We can just say he's not trusted he has to get his chance to defend himself. He kept saying he's sending. That is why it's been open so long.
Quote from: donnie355 on March 15, 2014, 05:08:18 PM
Take him off trusted trader. Problem solved.....
Yes very simple. But the trial takes time. I also would rather have a long trial and everyone get their stuff. Then post him to the not trustworthy trader and him then decide f it I'm already on the bad list so why send out. If he didn't keep posting he would have been on it way before.
Guys, I like Mlerner, but lets just put him on the Untrusted Traders and move on....
It is done. Added to Untrusted Traders, thread/s locked. Find a new pariah now people.