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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Anoobass on February 10, 2014, 11:27:32 PM

Title: Karn and AWOL
Post by: Anoobass on February 10, 2014, 11:27:32 PM
{Karn Liberated}
{AWOL}

Would the creature come back in the new game karn creates, if so I guess it's not "absolutely-removed-from-the-freaking-game-forever zone"
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: abstractApathist on February 10, 2014, 11:30:18 PM
You'd have to ask MaRo (the one and only un-rules judge) if you want a real ruling. Otherwise, whatever you and your friends decide is what goes. Gotta love un-cards :P

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Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: Anoobass on February 10, 2014, 11:31:45 PM
Quote from: abstractApathist on February 10, 2014, 11:30:18 PM
You'd have to ask MaRo (the one and only un-rules judge) if you want a real ruling. Otherwise, whatever you and your friends decide is what goes. Gotta love un-cards :P

More than life itself, where is un3 when you need it.
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: Gorzo on February 11, 2014, 02:11:08 AM
Well... Looking at this as logically as possibly (considering an Un-card is involved), I don't see any way for Karn and AWOL to interact. If it was exiled by Karn, there's no way it could be targeted and absolutely-removed-from-the-freaking-game-forever by AWOL, and visa versa, right?
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: Anoobass on February 11, 2014, 02:16:05 AM
Sorry didn't make a situation where this would happen, john attacks jane with {Avacyn, Angel of Hope}.  Jane casts {AWOL} in response, avacyn is now in the "absolutely-removed-from-the-freaking-game-forever" zone.  John casts {Karn Liberated} and 2 turns later ultimates.  Does avacyn get shuffled back or stay in the "absolutely-removed-from-the-freaking-game-forever" zone?
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: Gorzo on February 11, 2014, 02:27:14 AM
Gah...un rules! I miss this stupidity :P I want un3 dammit!

I would think she'd get get shuffled back because it's starting a new game and clearing all zones, but honestly I could see just as valid of a logical argument for leaving her in AWOL. Someone get the MaRo signal! We have a crisis!
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: Presentjackson on February 11, 2014, 02:34:43 AM
I believe both awol and angel of hope would be left out since they werent exiled by karn 
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: rarehuntertay on February 11, 2014, 07:14:10 AM
I say that it is removed forever, and the card exiled by AWOL is marked and never used in another game of magic again...
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: DirtyMustachio on February 11, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
It's removed from the game "forever" zone.

So perhaps after your set of 3
Title: Re: Karn and AWOL
Post by: Anoobass on February 11, 2014, 01:21:27 PM
It's up to you, I just thought of it when I saw it posted on another thread and it hit me.  Figured it would be a good question for the t1s and t2s we have out there.