Yes, I know I opening a can of worms here, but I would like a CIVIL discussion based on FACT AND HISTORICAL REFERENCES (yes, the Bible does count as a historical reference) with CITATIONS. Let's keep it clean and be mature (no karma bombing people for expressing their opinion). This is my teacher's fault, because he told me to watch the Nye vs. Ham debate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI)
Which do you believe? Molecule-to-man evolution or creationism?
Should have said no karma bombing in the other threads.
Bunch of Whiney children think than giving someone neg karma makes them cool. Lol
Quote from: Taysby on February 05, 2014, 11:57:14 PM
Indeed. That happened to me on the shaman is banned thread. I said "annnnnd bitterblossom skyrockets". I got like 6 negs from that. Wtf?
Have a +1 for the troubles.
Lol and got another -1.
Karma trolls are out tonight.
Gotta love the cowards who don't say anything.
Taysby said it well. I think the two co-exist. If God/Creationism is real, then macroevolution, atom-to-consciousness could easily be the way God did it. Would it not make the most sense? Evolution allows for adaptation to our environment and advancement in our understanding of the universe. If we were made in God's image, then I feel God would want us to survive.
Strongly looking forward to the results of this thread
I firmly believe in the Theory of Evolution and the idea of a shared common origin of life. It is supported fully by multiple scientific disciplines, genetics being the clincher IMHO. Transitional fossils abound that show the progression of life from one stage to another, most recently Tictaalik.
The question of can you believe in God(s) and the Theory of Evolution is a major one. I believe that it can be done with little cognitive dissonance since, from a non-believers standpoint, it simply boils down to a "God of the Gaps" issue. You can trust what we know from study to be right and fill in the missing parts with your religion of choice. As for Ken Ham's brand of Young Earth Creationism, I personally find that more in line with a mental disorder that leaves one disconnected from reality. There is simply too much evidence to disprove it (YEC), evidence so simple a child can understand it. {edit: Please note, I wish or mean no offense to anyone that supports a YEC position. I am simply giving my thoughts on the topic.}
Some will say, and have said, that I might be biased considering I work in, and hold degrees in, Medicial Science. All this being said, I have no problem with anyone believing anything they wish, so long as they keep it in the proper place. Science, the peer reviewed evidenced based discipline, belongs in Science classes. When it crosses the line into religious theology, it belongs in a Religion class or Sunday School.
Don't know exactly what type of citations you are looking for but here is a good one to start with.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01
I'm not saying this to troll, but I believe in belief. You want to believe and live by the cold hard facts, results and statistics of science, right on! Me too! You wanna believe in a God, any God or higher creation, good for you! So do I!
Whatever makes you happy and at peace with the world and other people, you go for it because the only person who controls your happiness is you.
You can believe whatever you want to believe, because hard fact of science exists and you can't deny that in any debate. But you can't deny the fact that belief in a higher, unquantifiable power like Spirituality or *Karma, makes some people just as happy and content as the scientists who prove how things work and the realists or atheists who choose fact over fiction. No one has the right to say 'your belief is wrong' and if they do, who cares. Don't let them waste your time or energy and get on with living your amazing life without taking on their unnecessary negativity or their own personal baggage.
Again, this is not a trolling, just an honest calm and neutral answer in a debate that could potentially blow up for bit of alternative, passive perspective.
Citations:
Mohammad
Jesus
Buddha
Dali Lama
The 60's
The smile in my heart and on my face when I wake up in the morning
My Mum 💗
*actual Karma, not the empowering hit of a
"👎 Don't" button by someone who is too shy to attempt an interactive response or in an attempt to tarnish a reputation.
Well said Spikepit. Very well said.
I assume this was inspired by the Bill Nye / Ken Ham debate a couple days ago.
Great debate to watch. Nye kills it.
In fact this same question of whether or not the two can coexist came up during it. Ham says it MUST be possible as God has presented all that we have. Nye says that what we have observed is the science he believes in and is forced to be agnostic (that one CANNOT know) until he sees a real reason to believe that God set everything in motion as opposed to... not having done so.
Nye looks like a pedophile IMO.
/offtopic
I believe that the story of Genesis and many other creation stories are not literal, but metaphorical tales. Humans, both now and thousands of years ago, are unable to comprehend the complexities of creating a universe and so some Higher Power passed down this tale, just was we make fables to teach children. I think that some Higher Power crafted the universe, creating natural laws, billions or trillions of years ago and the the literal genesis story is not true. Of course, this is just my opinion.