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Title: Does this happen?
Post by: Destore117 on January 30, 2014, 12:00:07 AM
If someone has a bunch of enchantment creatures on the field that aren't enchanting creatures can {Merciless eviction} exile them as enchantments?
Also if they are enchanting creatures and I chose creatures would they get exiled?

The real question: do they count as enchantments and creatures on the field? Or one or the other depending on how they were cast?
Title: Re: Does this happen?
Post by: Destore117 on January 30, 2014, 12:04:42 AM
So I can choose to destroy an enchanting creature with a destroy creature spell?!
Title: Re: Does this happen?
Post by: fj76ts4 on January 30, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
Quote from: Taysby on January 30, 2014, 12:09:39 AM
Well it's card type is enchantment creature when it's a dude, but it doesn't say anything about when it's bestowed.

On the stack, if you cast it for the bestow cost, it's an aura. If you didn't, it's a creature- at no time is it ever an aura and a creature. It also enters the battlefield as an aura or a creature, but never both.

9/15/2013: On the stack, a spell with bestow is either a creature spell or an Aura spell. It's never both.
Title: Re: Does this happen?
Post by: Scree on January 30, 2014, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: Taysby on January 30, 2014, 12:02:34 AM
They count as both all the time.  Their card types don't change.
Not really, they are only enchantments when you pay the bestow. Cost, other than that, they are normal creatures. Bestow is played from the hand and is an enchant creature rather than enchantment. You must attach a bestowed creature to another creature. If you exile all creatures then bestowed creatures will still be enchantments until after effect takes place, killing creatures then converting to creatures. Hope this helps
Title: Re: Does this happen?
Post by: abstractApathist on January 30, 2014, 02:56:03 PM
Quote from: Scree on January 30, 2014, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: Taysby on January 30, 2014, 12:02:34 AM
They count as both all the time.  Their card types don't change.
Not really, they are only enchantments when you pay the bestow. Cost, other than that, they are normal creatures. Bestow is played from the hand and is an enchant creature rather than enchantment. You must attach a bestowed creature to another creature. If you exile all creatures then bestowed creatures will still be enchantments until after effect takes place, killing creatures then converting to creatures. Hope this helps
This is not true either. A bestow creature is ALWAYS an enchantment. As fj76ts4 said, it changes from creature to aura depending on if it's been bestowed, but is always an enchantment and can be killed as such. It will not by killed by a {wrath of god} effect if it is enchanting a creature, however.
Title: Re: Does this happen?
Post by: Gorzo on January 30, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
Long story short:

If bestowed: it is an enchantment - aura.

If not bestowed: it is an enchantment creature - (creature type).

This means they are always vulnerable to "destroy enchantment" (ex. {Artisan's Sorrow}). They are only valid target for "destroy creature" (ex. {Doom Blade}) when NOT bestowed.