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Title: Ethereal armor
Post by: Destore117 on January 28, 2014, 06:11:26 PM
Fencing ace has {Ethereal armor} and {Baleful eidolon} so he's a 5/5 double strike deathtouch
{child of night} has {ordeal of Erebos} at 2 counters
Swing with both child becomes a 5/4 and ordeal falls off with 3 counters
Ace swung for five but the ordeal falls off as my child attacks will fencing ace hit for 5 or 4 double strike?
Title: Re: Ethereal armor
Post by: Ekann1 on January 28, 2014, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on January 28, 2014, 06:11:26 PM
Fencing ace has {Ethereal armor} and {Baleful eidolon} so he's a 5/5 double strike deathtouch
{child of night} has {ordeal of Erebos} at 2 counters
Swing with both child becomes a 5/4 and ordeal falls off with 3 counters
Ace swung for five but the ordeal falls off as my child attacks will fencing ace hit for 5 or 4 double strike?

Fencing ace will hit for 4. The ordeal fell off during declare attackers step, before combat damage was dealt.

RESOLVED
Title: Re: Ethereal armor
Post by: Ekann1 on January 28, 2014, 06:16:15 PM
Gatherer's rulings:

9/15/2013        The +1/+1 counter is put on the creature before blockers are declared and before combat damage is dealt.
9/15/2013   The check of whether the enchanted creature has three or more +1/+1 counters on it happens as part of the resolution of the attack triggered ability. If the third +1/+1 counter is put on the enchanted creature any other way, you won't sacrifice the Ordeal until the next time the creature attacks.
Title: Re: Ethereal armor
Post by: Destore117 on January 28, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 28, 2014, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on January 28, 2014, 06:11:26 PM
Fencing ace has {Ethereal armor} and {Baleful eidolon} so he's a 5/5 double strike deathtouch
{child of night} has {ordeal of Erebos} at 2 counters
Swing with both child becomes a 5/4 and ordeal falls off with 3 counters
Ace swung for five but the ordeal falls off as my child attacks will fencing ace hit for 5 or 4 double strike?

Fencing ace will hit for 4. The ordeal fell off during declare attackers step, before combat damage was dealt.
Thanks...WHY CAN'T I LIKE YOUR POSTS MORE THAN ONCE A DAY >:c
Title: Re: Ethereal armor
Post by: Ekann1 on January 28, 2014, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on January 28, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 28, 2014, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on January 28, 2014, 06:11:26 PM
Fencing ace has {Ethereal armor} and {Baleful eidolon} so he's a 5/5 double strike deathtouch
{child of night} has {ordeal of Erebos} at 2 counters
Swing with both child becomes a 5/4 and ordeal falls off with 3 counters
Ace swung for five but the ordeal falls off as my child attacks will fencing ace hit for 5 or 4 double strike?

Fencing ace will hit for 4. The ordeal fell off during declare attackers step, before combat damage was dealt.
Thanks...WHY CAN'T I LIKE YOUR POSTS MORE THAN ONCE A DAY >:c
Forum rules :P Wish we could like more than once a day too, there's some other people who would have a lot more karma if w could....
Title: Re: Ethereal armor
Post by: Presentjackson on February 01, 2014, 01:27:38 AM
So the fencing ace only deals four damage because child was four toughness?
Title: Re: Ethereal armor
Post by: Destore117 on February 01, 2014, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: Presentjackson on February 01, 2014, 01:27:38 AM
So the fencing ace only deals four damage because child was four toughness?
No no. Fencing ace only deals 4 because {ordeal of Erebos} fell off before damage was dealt. Thus {ethereal armor} lost an enchantment so fencing ace lost +1/+1
Title: Re: Ethereal armor
Post by: Presentjackson on February 03, 2014, 11:34:59 AM
Thanks for clearing that up for me