If someone was running a mono red edh and had out five 1/1 goblins along with {Goblin Sharpshooter} c13, and was blocking against a 4/4 with trample, could the sharpshooter destroy the 4/4 with trample? Got into an arguement with a friend over trample.. When a trample creature is blocked is it dealt damage by the second creature and so on?
This is not a rules question.
Seems like a rules question to me....
Would the 4/4 take combat damage?
What is it being blocked by? The 5 1/1s?
It's a rules question beyond a doubt.
There is not enough information here. You have stated the following:
Active player has a 4/4 trample creature that is attacking
Defedning player has 5 1/1 goblins and a {goblin sharpshooter} in play.
Are there any blocks? Is the sharpshooter currently untapped?
And your question is can the sharpshooter specifically kill the 4/4 trample? Or can the defending player kill it using all their creatures?
If your question is specifically on do blocking creatures deal damage yes they do regardless of what the attacking creature is or deals to them (exceptions include protection). 4 1/1 goblins would kill said 4/4 trample by the laws of math.
Quote from: Taysby on January 06, 2014, 10:48:35 PM
It assigns "lethal damage" to one creature, then the next, then the next, and so on. Then all damage is dealt simultaneously. So your sharpshooter would only untap once.
How was he Untaping before to kill the trample guy if nothing was blocking and dying?
If 5 creatures die then sharpshooter untaps 5 times leaving an oportunity to tap it inbetween each untap. They are triggers and do allow for responses.
The sharpshooter is untapped. Just wondering if the sharpshooter could kill the 4/4? Or if 4 of the 1/1 goblins can kill the 4/4 with trample?
Quote from: Ibtrickey on January 07, 2014, 12:08:15 AM
The sharpshooter is untapped. Just wondering if the sharpshooter could kill the 4/4? Or if 4 of the 1/1 goblins can kill the 4/4 with trample?
Then i believe my previous two post answer both questions.
Not exactly.. Can it get dumed down..
Quote from: Ibtrickey on January 07, 2014, 03:49:26 AM
Not exactly.. Can it get dumed down..
You can kill the 4/4 with trample by either blocking with 2 1/1's, tapping your Sharpshooter twice, losing 2 life and 2 1/1's, blocking with 3 1 /1's and tapping your Sharpshooter once to deal the final damage, you lose 1 life because of trample, and three tokens die, or you can block with 4 of the 1/1's and take 0 damage but lose 4 tokens.
Trample only carries damage over if their power is higher than lethal damage against all creatures blocking said creature with trample..
But if the 4/4 is blocked by two 1/1 and use sharpshooter, wouldn't that kill the 4/4, and take no life damage? And for any scenario the 4/4 would die correct
Quote from: Ibtrickey on January 07, 2014, 11:26:04 AM
But if the 4/4 is blocked by two 1/1 and use sharpshooter, wouldn't that kill the 4/4, and take no life damage? And for any scenario the 4/4 would die correct
Damage is going to roll over with trample unless blocked. Since you're only blocking two of the damage, you're going to take two from the trample.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 07, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: Ibtrickey on January 07, 2014, 11:26:04 AM
But if the 4/4 is blocked by two 1/1 and use sharpshooter, wouldn't that kill the 4/4, and take no life damage? And for any scenario the 4/4 would die correct
Damage is going to roll over with trample unless blocked. Since you're only blocking two of the damage, you're going to take two from the trample.
This, you would tap the sharpshooter once, preferably before you declare blockers, declare your two blockers, when one dies, you untap sharpshooter, tap it to deal a second damage, and when the second 1/1 dies, it's dealing lethal to the 4/4 and untapping your sharpshooter once more. But because damage is simultaneous, you're still taking the two damage rolled over (4 power minus 2 toughness.) You must either block with toughness equal to the power of a creature with trample (in this case 4), or kill the creature with trample before damage is being dealt either with first strike or a removal spell.
Also, yes, for each scenario I mentioned earlier the 4/4 would die.
Thank you guys:) my friend wanted to argue with me about trample and it got a bit out of hand..