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Magic (The Gathering) => Discussion => Topic started by: ultimatetofu on January 06, 2014, 10:49:15 AM

Title: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: ultimatetofu on January 06, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
Do ciphered and/or copied instants and sorceries still allow guttersnipe to deal damage
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: particle on January 06, 2014, 11:31:22 AM
should be in rules, but you are "casting" a copy, which is all {guttersnipe} cares about, so damage will trigger off ciphered spells.
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: Kaleo42 on January 06, 2014, 02:08:38 PM
Cipher copies and CASTS. "Copy" spells and abilities like {reverberate} simply copy no casting involved.
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: Wingnut on January 06, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
But to clarify a tad,  {Reverberate} itself will trigger Mr. Snipe, but not the copy it creates.
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: Caininite on January 06, 2014, 06:10:49 PM
Just to be clear the cipher will not trigger off of guttersnipe dealing damage because it is not combat damage, correct?
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: Kaleo42 on January 06, 2014, 06:16:32 PM
Quote from: Caininite on January 06, 2014, 06:10:49 PM
Just to be clear the cipher will not trigger off of guttersnipe dealing damage because it is not combat damage, correct?
Yes
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: ultimatetofu on January 06, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
The cipher still triggers guttersnipe?
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: particle on January 06, 2014, 11:36:26 PM
 you do combat damage and trigger cipher. when you trigger cipher you CAST a copy of the spell. when you CAST a spell, {guttersnipe} triggers, so {guttersnipe} will trigger.
Title: Re: cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe
Post by: Kaleo42 on January 06, 2014, 11:36:59 PM
Quote from: ultimatetofu on January 06, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
The cipher still triggers guttersnipe?
Yes. Cipher specifically states cast the copy. The resulting damage from snipe does not in turn trigger cipher again because it is not combat damage.