Not sure if this is the right place, but recently I wanted to run {Griselbrand} in my EDH deck. He is on the ban list. But EDH is a casual format, and I wanted to see if there was a way to make the ban list playable. I set up some different rules, I'm curious if people think this is fair.
1.) You cannot Tutor for any banned cards or infinite combos. (Ex. {Demonic Tutor}, {Diabolic Tutor})
2.) You must pay the cards Converted Mana Cost, and cannot cheat them out even through {Omniscience}. (Ex. {Elvish Piper}, {Kaalia of the Vast}
2.5) No {Bribery}ing those creatures either
3.) {Griselbrand}'a ability may only be activated on your own turn and only once during those turns.
4.) When any Banned card is under your control, at the end of your draw step you must discard a card or else exile the banned card.
Any other rules or Erratas you guys could think of? This is just for casual play with friends
You can also ban using certain cards together in a combo/synergy if one of them is banned. i.e. {Horizon Chimera} + {Griselbrand}
Honestly
Given grisels ability
You're essentially getting to tutor your deck for life
So I feel asking people can't tutor is a little silly when you choose to use a banned commander
This would be my reasoning against you if we were in a playgroup. I have to reconstruct my deck due you not liking tutors, but you cn have a banned commander. Seems one sided ya know?
He isn't a commander, just a card in the deck
Quote from: abstractApathist on January 03, 2014, 04:34:01 PM
You can also ban using certain cards together in a combo/synergy if one of them is banned. i.e. {Horizon Chimera} + {Griselbrand}
Damn that grisel..ban hahaha
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
:D deal ;) don't mind me.. Because I am going to NO him out on turn 2 and fetch up cradle and high market... Lol
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
:D deal ;) don't mind me.. Because I am going to NO him out on turn 2 and fetch up cradle and high market... Lol
NO? What's that?
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:35:28 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
:D deal ;) don't mind me.. Because I am going to NO him out on turn 2 and fetch up cradle and high market... Lol
NO? What's that?
{Natural Order}
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
:D deal ;) don't mind me.. Because I am going to NO him out on turn 2 and fetch up cradle and high market... Lol
That goes against the entire idea of the alternate rules proposed here...
Quote from: abstractApathist on January 03, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
:D deal ;) don't mind me.. Because I am going to NO him out on turn 2 and fetch up cradle and high market... Lol
That goes against the entire idea of the alternate rules proposed here...
I'm saying all banned cards must be naturally played and cannot be tutored for
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 04, 2014, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: abstractApathist on January 03, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
:D deal ;) don't mind me.. Because I am going to NO him out on turn 2 and fetch up cradle and high market... Lol
That goes against the entire idea of the alternate rules proposed here...
I'm saying all banned cards must be naturally played and cannot be tutored for
I understand what you are saying... But what I am saying is the natural progression that I believe a playgroup will head towards if you allow them or if you play with banned cards...
the whole reason that {Panoptic Mirror} is banned is because almost no one can resist the idea of putting a {Time Warp} on it.
The same thing goes for almost all the banned cards. They aren't necessarily banned simply because of what they do, but because they potentially (inevitably) will destroy the format.
For instance, what (other than the honor system) can guarantee that I didn't tutor up the banned card with a tutor that doesn't require me to reveal the card that I tutored.
Do you have 100% faith that your playgroup can maintain their integrity?
Quote from: Arzair on January 04, 2014, 02:55:49 AM
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 04, 2014, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: abstractApathist on January 03, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on January 03, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Arzair on January 03, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
I would let you play him if I can play {Primeval Titan} :)
I'm fine with that lol
:D deal ;) don't mind me.. Because I am going to NO him out on turn 2 and fetch up cradle and high market... Lol
That goes against the entire idea of the alternate rules proposed here...
I'm saying all banned cards must be naturally played and cannot be tutored for
I understand what you are saying... But what I am saying is the natural progression that I believe a playgroup will head towards if you allow them or if you play with banned cards...
the whole reason that {Panoptic Mirror} is banned is because almost no one can resist the idea of putting a {Time Warp} on it.
The same thing goes for almost all the banned cards. They aren't necessarily banned simply because of what they do, but because they potentially (inevitably) will destroy the format.
For instance, what (other than the honor system) can guarantee that I didn't tutor up the banned card with a tutor that doesn't require me to reveal the card that I tutored.
Do you have 100% faith that your playgroup can maintain their integrity?
I trust my play group. And any obvious abuses with commanders cannot be tutored for or cheated out. If they get it, they get it though.
He would have to have an added "Exile Griselbrand" tacked onto his activated ability cost in order for me to be okay with him in the game - he's broken and no matter how he gets on the field, if he does that game is over. No fun. But if that ability were a one-time-use only, and got rid of him forever? It would just be like a {Sign in Blood} on hyper-steroids. That would still be good but not ruin the game.
How about you leave him banned/unbanned and ditch the rules baggage? The only reason for a wholesale change of rules would be to increase interactivity and fun. Changing the way tutors work, changing the way fast mana works, changing the way {confiscate} effects work and adding a broken card don't strike me as positive changes.
Take a look at the French Duel Commander rules. In an attempt to make 1v1 Commander fair, some people came up with a different ban list. If your group wants to play {Griselbrand} and friends, you should try it out! In French Commander, you can even have Griseldaddy as your commander. Players start at 30 life in Duel Commander, but you might want to change that to 40 if you play with those rules in a multiplayer game. Good luck!
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on January 04, 2014, 09:12:05 AM
Take a look at the French Duel Commander rules. In an attempt to make 1v1 Commander fair, some people came up with a different ban list. If your group wants to play {Griselbrand} and friends, you should try it out! In French Commander, you can even have Griseldaddy as your commander. Players start at 30 life in Duel Commander, but you might want to change that to 40 if you play with those rules in a multiplayer game. Good luck!
While I agree that the Duel Commander banlist is certainly a great option if your playgroup is unhappy with WotC's banlist, don't forget you can also create your own banlist with the best of both. Personally, I feel that {upheaval} is broken in multiplayer, so I might add that to the french list.
I feel like the bribery rule isn't good. If people can bribery for him people will be more hesitant to run an overpowered card like that
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on January 04, 2014, 04:15:39 PM
I feel like the bribery rule isn't good. If people can bribery for him people will be more hesitant to run an overpowered card like that
These rules are just for my friends. In a setting where we have new players, we won't run any banned cards.
I just feel like any 8+ drop will win you the game. And with the "Activate Griselbrand only once a turn" is basically like {Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur}, which I've thought about running instead of Serra Avatar in place of Grisel