I have an EDH deck with infinite life gain and infinite damage but I was told I can't say infinite even though they go off over and over and over again till I have infinite life or everyone is dead at the table. So if I can't say infinite what do I say because I would be wasting time if I say 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 X
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 to the power of 20 x 99999999998899999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 you see how time wasting that can be.
So what do you say for an infinite combo fir a number???
I'm pretty sure you can say infinite times and it reaches infinite... You just say "for infinite life" or "infinite damage", etc
If something happens that could be infinite, you choose the value. For example, you find a combo that nets you "infinite" life. Your life total does NOT become infinite. You could choose a thousand or a million or a billion but there must be a numerical value where you decide it is enough and the game can progress...
But the number for infinite is a sideways 8 which is used as the number in mathematics. It's not the same as other numbers but it can be used as a number. So if a sideways 8 is infinite and is a type of number why can't it be used if it's the number for infinite??
Because you can't have infinite life. You have to have a set life total, not on That keeps going up and up
Quote from: CyberStrider on December 31, 2013, 11:10:12 AM
But the number for infinite is a sideways 8 which is used as the number in mathematics. It's not the same as other numbers but it can be used as a number. So if a sideways 8 is infinite and is a type of number why can't it be used??
Going to take a shot in the dark but your activating multiple effects using the stack, so to give you infinite life (a number that keeps going with no end) your effects/abilities would have to continue for eternity. But if that happens the game can't progress. So you must choose a finite number at which your combo "stops" to progress the game to the next step.
Here's the thing though, if you make your life total, 1,000,000,000 (1 billion) and someone doesn't have a game plan to mill you out or {Sorin markov} you to 10. 1 billion is plenty to make them scoop, you don't have to say infinite because straight damage can only do so much. There's a limit to how much damage a person can output without pulling out an infinite damage combo. So what would it matter if you chose 1 billion, or 999 dodecatillion?
Just state that your life is arbitrarily large and hope nobody can do infinite damage unless you can gain more in response. Don't fret otherwise, just say it doesn't matter, you won't kill me. That's what I did at a 5K running infinite life from DGM standard
{spitemare} {Whip of Erebos} {darksteel plate}
That's one life gain combo but from what has been said the game stops till I say a number even though that can go on for ever in my turn or my oponites.
Why not just say
Hey your life is now at -9999
And my life is now at 9999
And end the combo.
They lose unless they have a {platinum angel} or similar no lose effect.
Who cares how ludicrously high you can set your life total?
The largest number I can name and define offhand is a googleplex. 1 google is defined (by a mathematician long before the search engine) as 10 ^ 100 (read 10 to the 100 power, or a 1 with 100 zeros). A googleplex is 1 google ^ 100. There are larger numbers out there, but I can't remember the names, and defining them is much more complex.
Googolplexplex I believe is the largest number, don't remember what it was cause I read it forever ago. Problem is I don't recognize it as a number. First of all, numbers are grouped in 3 together, then a comma. Such as 1 million: 1,000,000 and so forth, because a googol has 100 zeroes, it has 33 groups of 3 plus one extra. Making the actual number 10,000,...,000,000. And since numbers are labeled by their groups, e.g. BIllion, TRIllion, QUADrillion, and so forth. A googol would be 10, *insert number for 32*illion. Secondly I dont recognize a googol as a number because it was made up by an 11 year old, I believe, who was asked, "What is the biggest number you can think of?" Just don't think we should represent words for numbers based on children.
.end rant.
For the record, Double-O had the correct ruling way up top. You much choose an actual number of times to do the combo (arbitrary concepts and symbols do not apply).
In addition, most tournaments will put a limit on how many times/turn you may use a combo. This is to prevent stalling, wasting time, etc.
For reference a googolplex is a number so large that if it was written down would occupy more space than there is in the estimated universe.
Quote from: Pi on January 01, 2014, 09:21:01 PM
For reference a googolplex is a number so large that if it was written down would occupy more space than there is in the estimated universe.
I feel like that's proportional to the person writing it... unless its just the number meant to like estimate the space of our universe times however much. So it would always be bigger than the universe
The volume of the universe as far as we are able to measure/estimate would be smaller than the physical existence of a googolplex.
Quote from: Pi on January 01, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
The volume of the universe as far as we are able to measure/estimate would be smaller than the physical existence of a googolplex.
I'm sorry. But why would ANYONE ever need such a number?
Unless they are batman. In which case it probably has a good purpose
I don't even think that the Batman could think off something productive to do with a number that large. It is fun to gain a googolplex life and have to explain exactly how invincible you have become.
... And then I play Sorin.
Quote from: Pi on January 01, 2014, 10:52:22 PM
I don't even think that the Batman could think off something productive to do with a number that large. It is fun to gain a googolplex life and have to explain exactly how invincible you have become.
Trust me. Batman could use googolplex.
{Master of Cruelties} with {Artful Dodge} says make it as big as you want.
Quote from: Wally on January 01, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
{Master of Cruelties} with {Artful Dodge} says make it as big as you want.
Then a {fling} for GG!
{Reverse the Sands} would be nice. On a serious note, when my friends and I are playing (I'm not sure what the actual ruling would be) the player with an infinite combo must ask the remaining players if he has to repeat the action. For instance if your ultimate combo gains you 5 life per activation and you can do it any number of times, you must ask if you can skip the activations after the first. We got this from D&D. Taking a twenty sometimes can benefit the game by not pointlessly prolonging it.
Infinite\mucho life can be dealt with
{magister sphinx}
I find infinite/mucho creatures with haste (Kiki clones/sliver queen) are the hard ones to deal with unless you have an instant speed board wipe.