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America Maze's End 75 cards, 15 sideboard 2 {Rakdos Guildgate} 2 {Simic Guildgate} 4 {Maze's End} 2 {Golgari Guildgate} 2 {Boros Guildgate} 2 {Izzet Guildgate} 2 {Orzhov Guildgate} 2 {Selesnya Guildgate} 2 {Azorius Guildgate} 2 {Gruul Guildgate} 2 {Dimir Guildgate} 24 lands 2 {Kiora, the Crashing Wave} 1 {Jace, Memory Adept} 2 {Whelming Wave} 2 {Riot Control} 1 {Izzet Charm} 2 {Anger Of The Gods} 2 {Sphinx's Revelation} 4 {Azorius Charm} 2 {Mizzium Mortars} 3 {Lightning Strike} 1 {Divination} 2 {Quicken} 4 {Cyclonic Rift} 4 {Supreme Verdict} 4 {Magma Jet} 36 other spells Sideboard 1 {Sphinx's Revelation} 2 {Riot Control} 4 {Fog} 4 {Defend the Hearth} 4 {Dissolve}

Hey guys and gals, I've wanted to build a {Maze's End} deck for a long time now and I have finally gotten around to making one. I haven't really looked at other deck lists I just went with it. Turned out to be an America burn/control. Would love feed back.

I've updated the deck. I've removed the 4  {Shock} and 1  {Haunted Plate Mail}. I've put in 2  {Izzet Charm}, 2  {Anger of the Gods}, and 1 more  {Wild Guess}.

Wild guess I don't recall was reprinted for any of the current sets. I would try and use divination or read the bones for some draw power

Quote from: SoshiGanrou on December 31, 2013, 10:30:03 AM
Wild guess I don't recall was reprinted for any of the current sets. I would try and use divination or read the bones for some draw power

Wild guess was reprinted in m14. Actually divination would be a bit more usual here. Read the bones worries me with the self burn but ill think about it. I was thinking wild guess because using the extra gates I draw as discard

I'm thinking if I should use a planeswalker in this deck. One of these three if not all of them:  {Elspeth, Sun's Champion},  {Vraska the Unseen}, or  {Ral Zarek}

Quote from: SoshiGanrou on December 31, 2013, 10:30:03 AM
Wild guess I don't recall was reprinted for any of the current sets. I would try and use divination or read the bones for some draw power

I'm actually goin to use  {Divination} like you hinted at.

Also what do you guys think about  {Steam Augury}

I went 2-1 playing against a few friends with this deck. One had bug control, another gruul aggro, and the last mono black dev. I lost to the gruul because I got mana screwed for to long in one and I couldn't draw maze to save my life

i'm not sure about your land base. seems like you should run more of certain gates and less of others depending on what colors you need, and then maybe even run some shocklands. although maybe you shouldn't take advice from me, my maze's end deck failed terribly :P

Quote from: E.kann1 on January 01, 2014, 02:54:31 PM
i'm not sure about your land base. seems like you should run more of certain gates and less of others depending on what colors you need, and then maybe even run some shocklands. although maybe you shouldn't take advice from me, my maze's end deck failed terribly :P

I've seen a few lists that always have 2 of each just to be able to have a chance of drawing a gate to save you a crack of maze. I've tried to cut a few of certain gates just like you hinted at but with this set up I usually get 2 or 3 gates with maze out that lets me search for other ones

Steam Augury is terrible in this deck. Especially without {Elixir of Immortality}. Putting your wincon in the grave without any recursion for it is a bad idea.

Quote from: Vileo on January 01, 2014, 03:16:02 PM
Steam Augury is terrible in this deck. Especially without {Elixir of Immortality}. Putting your wincon in the grave without any recursion for it is a bad idea.

Ah I see what you mean. Should I just drop more draw instead?

I'd opt for some {Riot Control} since you're pretty low on life gain.

Quote from: Vileo on January 01, 2014, 05:32:18 PM
I'd opt for some {Riot Control} since you're pretty low on life gain.

Hmm good idea. That will help for the aggro decks I will swap the steams for riots

If your going with the burn side, {crackling perimeter} is an amazing card.  Also most maze end decks run {prophet of kruphix} for the untaps.  Might hurt you with all the destruction, but still keep in mind.

Quote from: Anoobass on January 02, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
If your going with the burn side, {crackling perimeter} is an amazing card.  Also most maze end decks run {prophet of kruphix} for the untaps.  Might hurt you with all the destruction, but still keep in mind.

Crackling perimeter is great but I need the open mana at all times and that's where prophet would be great. But if I want to use it I would need to remove my board ko's because it dies to 6 of my own cards. Ill have to think about what I could sub if I want to use prophet. Maybe have 2 verdicts as a backup plan and have 4  {Far // Away} thanks to having 5 colors o mana. Or change it up and have crackling and prophet be most of the removal. Idk that would work as well though

Also a good combo with far and away for this deck is {Gatecreeper Vine}! Surely no maze deck should be without it?

Quote from: Prplprince on January 02, 2014, 12:28:05 AM

Quote from: Anoobass on January 02, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
If your going with the burn side, {crackling perimeter} is an amazing card.  Also most maze end decks run {prophet of kruphix} for the untaps.  Might hurt you with all the destruction, but still keep in mind.

Crackling perimeter is great but I need the open mana at all times and that's where prophet would be great. But if I want to use it I would need to remove my board ko's because it dies to 6 of my own cards. Ill have to think about what I could sub if I want to use prophet. Maybe have 2 verdicts as a backup plan and have 4  {Far // Away} thanks to having 5 colors o mana. Or change it up and have crackling and prophet be most of the removal. Idk that would work as well though

The great think about {crackling perimeter} though is, if your opponent doesn't do anything worthy of countering or anything, and the end of their turn, tap your gates for damage, then they untap on your untap step, free damage for unused mana.

Quote from: Anoobass on January 02, 2014, 04:06:27 AM

Quote from: Prplprince on January 02, 2014, 12:28:05 AM

Quote from: Anoobass on January 02, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
If your going with the burn side, {crackling perimeter} is an amazing card.  Also most maze end decks run {prophet of kruphix} for the untaps.  Might hurt you with all the destruction, but still keep in mind.

Crackling perimeter is great but I need the open mana at all times and that's where prophet would be great. But if I want to use it I would need to remove my board ko's because it dies to 6 of my own cards. Ill have to think about what I could sub if I want to use prophet. Maybe have 2 verdicts as a backup plan and have 4  {Far // Away} thanks to having 5 colors o mana. Or change it up and have crackling and prophet be most of the removal. Idk that would work as well though

The great think about {crackling perimeter} though is, if your opponent doesn't do anything worthy of countering or anything, and the end of their turn, tap your gates for damage, then they untap on your untap step, free damage for unused mana.

Quote from: Flashley_ska on January 02, 2014, 03:16:57 AM
Also a good combo with far and away for this deck is {Gatecreeper Vine}! Surely no maze deck should be without it?

I might have to rearrange or make another mazes deck using prophet as well

I'm actually looking at  {Quicken} instead of divination and I'm going to take out haunted plate mail so that will give me space for gatekeeper

Update

Went I fnm and went 4-0 with it. Awesome lol

I've added a side board that converts the deck into turbo fog just as a back up plan

I'd -4 Treasured Find +4 {Dissolve} or something.

Quote from: Vileo on January 06, 2014, 03:22:22 AM
I'd -4 Treasured Find +4 {Dissolve} or something.

I've got the treasure finds to recycle fogs or burns I've used

I get that, but if you have a dissolve, they cast a Fanatic with lethal, and you don't have a riot control? You could have just countered it and not had to worry about it. Fogs especially are temporary solutions, and Find is taking that to an extreme. You want mostly answers, instead of just stalling. If at any one point you can't fog and you haven't found a wrath, you just die.

Quote from: Vileo on January 06, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
I get that, but if you have a dissolve, they cast a Fanatic with lethal, and you don't have a riot control? You could have just countered it and not had to worry about it. Fogs especially are temporary solutions, and Find is taking that to an extreme. You want mostly answers, instead of just stalling. If at any one point you can't fog and you haven't found a wrath, you just die.

Ah touché dissolves it is

Quote from: Taysby on January 06, 2014, 05:28:01 PM
I'd run 4 gate creepers.

After playing the deck so far I don't need to run more then two. I can change it up if necessary though

Should I just go ahead and bump my Maze's End list?

Quote from: Vileo on January 09, 2014, 03:08:01 AM
Should I just go ahead and bump my Maze's End list?

That would be cool. What kind do you run?

It's Bant. Elspeth and Rev and fogs and Verdict and in a month, Kiora.

Quote from: Vileo on January 11, 2014, 04:25:47 AM
It's Bant. Elspeth and Rev and fogs and Verdict and in a month, Kiora.

I see you have some more wincons then I do. Should I drop a walker into my deck?

Quote from: Prplprince on January 11, 2014, 07:25:38 AM

Quote from: Vileo on January 11, 2014, 04:25:47 AM
It's Bant. Elspeth and Rev and fogs and Verdict and in a month, Kiora.

I see you have some more wincons then I do. Should I drop a walker into my deck?

Elspeth only does good things. Chandra draws you cards (Make sure to 0 BEFORE your land drop at all times in this deck lol). {Cumberstone} Jace is pretty much either for or Card Advantage. Whichever you need. Emo Jace is Card Advantage.

Seems good.

Quote from: Vileo on January 12, 2014, 12:47:41 AM

Quote from: Prplprince on January 11, 2014, 07:25:38 AM

Quote from: Vileo on January 11, 2014, 04:25:47 AM
It's Bant. Elspeth and Rev and fogs and Verdict and in a month, Kiora.

I see you have some more wincons then I do. Should I drop a walker into my deck?

Elspeth only does good things. Chandra draws you cards (Make sure to 0 BEFORE your land drop at all times in this deck lol). {Cumberstone} Jace is pretty much either for or Card Advantage. Whichever you need. Emo Jace is Card Advantage.

Seems good.

I might do one of each jace. I'm thinking if I want to use a Chandra as well

Quote from: Taysby on January 12, 2014, 02:36:29 PM
Domri would just be KILLER int his deck.  ;)

Would be to op. I want to give people a chance :)

Quote from: Prplprince on January 12, 2014, 04:59:40 PM

Quote from: Taysby on January 12, 2014, 02:36:29 PM
Domri would just be KILLER int his deck.  ;)

Would be to op. I want to give people a chance :)

^ This guy.

Quote from: Vileo on January 13, 2014, 04:32:02 AM

Quote from: Prplprince on January 12, 2014, 04:59:40 PM

Quote from: Taysby on January 12, 2014, 02:36:29 PM
Domri would just be KILLER int his deck.  ;)

Would be to op. I want to give people a chance :)

^ This guy.

Domri would suck a$$ in this deck lol you run 2 creatures ... Lol

Quote from: Mattao19 on January 13, 2014, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: Vileo on January 13, 2014, 04:32:02 AM

Quote from: Prplprince on January 12, 2014, 04:59:40 PM

Quote from: Taysby on January 12, 2014, 02:36:29 PM
Domri would just be KILLER int his deck.  ;)

Would be to op. I want to give people a chance :)

^ This guy.

Domri would suck a$$ in this deck lol you run 2 creatures ... Lol

Can't tell if you're just a bad troll or you missed that joke

Quote from: Prplprince on January 14, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: Mattao19 on January 13, 2014, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: Vileo on January 13, 2014, 04:32:02 AM

Quote from: Prplprince on January 12, 2014, 04:59:40 PM

Quote from: Taysby on January 12, 2014, 02:36:29 PM
Domri would just be KILLER int his deck.  ;)

Would be to op. I want to give people a chance :)

^ This guy.

Domri would suck a$$ in this deck lol you run 2 creatures ... Lol

Can't tell if you're just a bad troll or you missed that joke

He was probably derping. He normally gets jokes like that lol

Quote from: Vileo on January 14, 2014, 05:13:02 AM

Quote from: Prplprince on January 14, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: Mattao19 on January 13, 2014, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: Vileo on January 13, 2014, 04:32:02 AM

Quote from: Prplprince on January 12, 2014, 04:59:40 PM

Quote from: Taysby on January 12, 2014, 02:36:29 PM
Domri would just be KILLER int his deck.  ;)

Would be to op. I want to give people a chance :)

^ This guy.

Domri would suck a$$ in this deck lol you run 2 creatures ... Lol

Can't tell if you're just a bad troll or you missed that joke

He was probably derping. He normally gets jokes like that lol

Lol ok ill take your word for it

Bump because someone asked

Yep I derped I wrote my comment after a very long day finishing up a last minute essay ... Lol my bad guys!

Quote from: Mattao19 on January 18, 2014, 02:48:44 AM
Yep I derped I wrote my comment after a very long day finishing up a last minute essay ... Lol my bad guys!

We all have a herp in our derp once in a while

Update for born

There's a creature from gatecrash maybe dragonsmaze, I believe a common, it gains you like 7 life if u control 2 or more gates when he enters the battlefield... Very effective against those pesky aggressive decks... Chump blocker and life gain...

Quote from: Foreplay0333 on February 15, 2014, 01:34:01 PM
There's a creature from gatecrash maybe dragonsmaze, I believe a common, it gains you like 7 life if u control 2 or more gates when he enters the battlefield... Very effective against those pesky aggressive decks... Chump blocker and life gain...

I know of it. It's {Saruli Gatekeepers} and it's actually useful just the issue is when I played with it I find that turbo fog variant uses and needs it a bit better then this one which needs most if the mana for the control aspect. 

I really like the idea of playing American mazes end, but I think you should change your land choices. Since your primary colors are RWU, I would keep two of the primary gates of those colors and then switch some others to one-ofs in place of either shocks or basics of RWU so that you can hit a divination, supreme verdict, or another important spell on curve.

I played turbo fog and bant control version and I also liked to have at least 26 land in the deck. It seemed much better, since you will
Be thinning it out with mazes end anyways.

I haven't had any issues with the mana base so far that's the only reason why I haven't swapped the not useful gates out. Another reason why I haven't changed it up is because I can do sideboard swaps and my mana base won't need changing