I'm using {Odric, Master Tactician}, my opponent has a creature with Protection from white. I am attacking with Odric, and three other creatures, i've chosen all of my opponents creatures to not block this combat. He states that i cannot make his Prot-White not block because of the protection from white, but that ability states that it cannot be targeted, enchanted, blocked or dealt damage by white spells. I say i can because Odric's ability does not state target creatures, but instead allows me to choose.
Who would be right, me or my friend?
You are correct for the exact reason you stated, protection is DEBT, damage, enchanted, blocked, targeted. You are doing none of these so you are in the clear.
Tyvm. My friend has a real hard head when it comes to him losing:)
The ruling needed in this case:
702.16b A permanent or player with protection can't be targeted by spells with the stated quality and can't be targeted by abilities from a source with the stated quality.
However, {Odric, Master Tactician}'s triggered ability literally does not have the word "target" in it. Therefore, it bypasses crratures that have protection from white and protection from creatures.
You are targeting his creature...as any time you choose creatures you are targeting...but you can target his creature as it is the player that targets with that ability and not the creature
Quote from: respawned on December 17, 2013, 01:13:31 PM
You are targeting his creature...as any time you choose creatures you are targeting
False. "Target" has a specific rules meaning. Don't use it carelessly, or you will create confusion.
114.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn't make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word "target" in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it's not a target.
I believe the difference between targeting and choosing is that targets must be chosen as the spell or ability is put on the stack, while you choose as the spell or ability resolves.
but sometimes things say choose target like {ashling, the extinguisher}.
Quote from: Avodroc13 on December 17, 2013, 09:08:08 AM
You are wrong. Your friend wins.
Constructive statements please. This community, especially for rules questions, encourages constructive and fact supported statements regardless of opinion, but strongly discourages blatant and unsupported statements of disagreement.
In topic as the above rules quotes state in order to target a spell or ability must say target. This is why {clone}s can clone {skylasher} or even {progenitus}.
The above statement is very true about choosing on resolution and targetting on activation/cast/triggering. For this reason {mogis marauder}'s trigger is the only known instance of counting devotion before resolution.