{Medomai the Ageless} and {Clone}
Can the clone of Medomai attack on the extra turn?
(I'd have to sac the original Medomai)
Ok thanks and damn :(
Quote from: Taysby on December 15, 2013, 06:14:30 PM
When it refers to its name, unless it says, cards with the name whatever, it refers to that individual card. Just like how you can't tap 4 {zhur-taa Druid}s to deal 16 damage.
So yes, the clone can attack.
Oh really? Awesome!! Thanks
I trust you taysby but bc there's 2 answers could you or someone else find a ruling
I don't think the clone can attack, because it says extra turns, not extra turns created by Medomai.
Creature's named medomai can not attack on extra turns. There is no way around this. It doesnt matter if the medomai in question is the one that creatd the extra turn it will still see that it is currently an extra turn.
That being said, {artisan of forms} can attack and can be the target of {boros charm} and can use it's ability to become a medomai after already being declared an attack so you can then doublestrike for two extra turns.
Interesting Kaleo
It isn't that creatures named Medomai canmt attack on extra turns, it's that it is a property of Medomai that it can't attack on extra turns. If you make {Sakashima the Impostor} a copy of Medomai, the effect still applies.
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 15, 2013, 06:59:17 PM
It isn't that creatures named Medomai canmt attack on extra turns, it's that it is a property of Medomai that it can't attack on extra turns. If you make {Sakashima the Impostor} a copy of Medomai, the effect still applies.
I see what youre trying to say but you basically just restated the same point I made with different word choice.
Explain? I there are lots of druid combos.
Like having multiple {Zhur-Taa Druids} if you have say 3 does it deal 3 damage when it taps
201.4a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=201.4a): If an ability's effect grants another ability to an object, and that second ability refers to that first ability's source by name, the name refers only to the specific object that is that first ability's source, not to any other object with the same name. This is also true if the second ability is copied onto a new object.
Example: Gutter Grime has an ability that reads "Whenever a nontoken creature you control dies, put a slime counter on Gutter Grime, then put a green Ooze creature token onto the battlefield with 'This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of slime counters on Gutter Grime.'" The ability granted to the token only looks at the Gutter Grime that created the token, not at any other Gutter Grime on the battlefield. A copy of that token would also have an ability that referred only to the Gutter Grime that created the original token.
And:
201.4b (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=201.4b): If an ability of an object refers to that object by name, and an object with a different name gains that ability, each instance of the first name in the gained ability that refers to the first object by name should be treated as the second name.
Example: Quicksilver Elemental says, in part, "{U}: Quicksilver Elemental gains all activated abilities of target creature until end of turn." If it gains an ability that says "{G}: Regenerate Cudgel Troll," activating that ability will regenerate Quicksilver Elemental, not the Cudgel Troll it gained the ability from.
Example: Glacial Ray is an instant with "splice onto Arcane" that says "Glacial Ray deals 2 damage to target creature or player." If it's spliced onto a Kodama's Reach, that Kodama's Reach deals 2 damage to the target creature or player.
Example: Dimir Doppelganger says "{1}{U}{B}: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Dimir Doppelganger becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability." Dimir Doppelganger's ability is activated targeting a Runeclaw Bear card. The Doppelganger becomes a copy of Runeclaw Bear and gains an ability that should be treated as saying "{1}{U}{B}: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Runeclaw Bear becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability."
So, no. Each would only deal 1 damage per tap.
Since medomai can't attack during extra turns
If I {temporal mastery} medomai cannot attack during the extra turn, correct
Quote from: Muggywuggy on December 15, 2013, 08:01:19 PM
Since medomai can't attack during extra turns
If I {temporal mastery} medomai cannot attack during the extra turn, correct
Correct
Using rules text
9/15/2013 An "extra turn" is any turn created by a spell or ability. Notably, it doesn't include additional turns taken in tournaments after time expires for a round.
9/15/2013 It doesn't matter whose turn it is. In very rare cases, an opponent may be taking an extra turn and gain control of Medomai. Medomai can't attack during that turn.
Medomai the Ageless can't attack during extra turns.
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Translation: <this creature> can't attack during extra turns.
It does not specify that it can't do damage or can not be attacking, it just cant attack (meaning be declared as an attacker).
I know of two was to bend this rule.
{Artisan of forms} cloning after attacking.
{Yore-Tiller Nephilim} bringing it back during combat.
Possible way:
Is there a way to make {hero of bladehold} or {geist of saint traft} tokens into copies of medomai?
So, could {lazav, dimir mastermind} then also attack on extra turns or no, assuming he copied a Medomai at some point?
This thread...lol
Doesn't beat the korona false god one way back when.