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Title: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: Nymuera on December 14, 2013, 03:10:59 PM
If you equip {Melek, Izzet Paragon} with {Illusionist's Bracers} is the spell copied four times, or is one spell cast by Melek and copied, then the next spell, if one comes up, cast by the Bracers and copied?

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Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:14:23 PM
Actually, you can't copy Melek's ability with the bracers- Melek's ability is triggered, and the Bracers only copy activated abilities.
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:20:42 PM
{Melek Izzet Paragon}, and I think the thirnd ability is triggered.
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: DylanW18 on December 14, 2013, 03:55:16 PM
I believe {Illusionist Bracers} copies triggered abilities. It says "not a mana ability". To my knowledge, it reads

"Whenever an ability is activated".

Not: "copy target ACTIVATED ability"

I may be wrong though, but there may be a difference. I would call your LGS and double check :p

*bolds for emphasis
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: TheRagingMage on December 14, 2013, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on December 14, 2013, 03:55:16 PM
I believe {Illusionist Bracers} copies triggered abilities. It says "not a mana ability". To my knowledge, it reads

"Whenever an ability is activated".

Not: "copy target ACTIVATED ability"

I may be wrong though, but there may be a difference. I would call your LGS and double check :p

*bolds for emphasis

602.1c (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=602.1c): An activated ability is the only kind of ability that can be activated. If an object or rule refers to activating an ability without specifying what kind, it must be referring to an activated ability.
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: Deathstorm on December 14, 2013, 05:10:55 PM
It says right in the card whenever an ability is activated not triggered there is a difference activated implies some sort of cost associated with it I.e tapping or paying mana
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: DylanW18 on December 14, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on December 14, 2013, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on December 14, 2013, 03:55:16 PM
I believe {Illusionist Bracers} copies triggered abilities. It says "not a mana ability". To my knowledge, it reads

"Whenever an ability is activated".

Not: "copy target ACTIVATED ability"

I may be wrong though, but there may be a difference. I would call your LGS and double check :p

*bolds for emphasis

602.1c (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=602.1c): An activated ability is the only kind of ability that can be activated. If an object or rule refers to activating an ability without specifying what kind, it must be referring to an activated ability.



Thanks! Glad I learned :) +1!
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: Nymuera on December 15, 2013, 10:35:41 AM
Thank you all for the replies, and the clarifications.
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on December 15, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
An activated ability is always written out as [cost]:[effect] and the cost can be anything such as tapping the permanent, mana, life, or manipulating loyalty counters. While a triggered ability will have the words "when" or "whenever"
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: Spencer Addington on December 15, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
You can use {strionic resonator}.
Title: Re: Melek, Izzet Paragon and Illusionist's Bracers combo
Post by: Gorzo on December 16, 2013, 06:49:10 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 15, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
You can you {strionic resonator}.

Yup, you can do this! And if you do, you get this:

Original spell
+Melek Copy
+Strionic Copy of Melek's ability that results in a 2nd Melek Copy

Total of 3 of that spell.