So I know that there are "layers" involved in this, but I'm still a bit unclear about the order of things.
I have a {Fluxcharger}. I cast the Blood half of {Flesh // Blood} and choose not to switch his p/t. While that is still on the stack, I cast 2 {Triton Tactics} and a {Tower Defense}. I choose to switch his P/T for the last spell. Would this deal 16 damage to my opponents face?
No. You switch it, making it 5/1, then 1/5, then 5/1 again.9
Isn't it a "May" trigger? Also my main question is if all the toughness buffs get switched into Power buffs or if they will all still only pump Toughness.
Yes, you can choose, but it just flips each time, from 5/1 to 1/5 (If you choose) each time. It deals either 1 or 5 damage.
I'm going to disagree with mlerner on this one. The switch is a may effect, so you're definitely correct about choosing. However, it doesn't actually matter when you switch the p/t- all p/t changing effects are applied to the original p/t. Blood, however, does check the final p/t, so you would deal 16 to your opponent's face, I believe.
After all the spells resolve is he a 16/1 or a 5/12 till EOT
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
I'm going to disagree with mlerner on this one. The switch is a may effect, so you're definitely correct about choosing. However, it doesn't actually matter when you switch the p/t- all p/t changing effects are applied to the original p/t. Blood, however, does check the final p/t, so you would deal 16 to your opponent's face, I believe.
Wouldn't it only deal 5, since the last power is 5?
So yeah, he's a 16/1 until EOT.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
I'm going to disagree with mlerner on this one. The switch is a may effect, so you're definitely correct about choosing. However, it doesn't actually matter when you switch the p/t- all p/t changing effects are applied to the original p/t. Blood, however, does check the final p/t, so you would deal 16 to your opponent's face, I believe.
Wouldn't it only deal 5, since the last power is 5?
Why would his last power be 5?
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
I'm going to disagree with mlerner on this one. The switch is a may effect, so you're definitely correct about choosing. However, it doesn't actually matter when you switch the p/t- all p/t changing effects are applied to the original p/t. Blood, however, does check the final p/t, so you would deal 16 to your opponent's face, I believe.
Wouldn't it only deal 5, since the last power is 5?
Why would his last power be 5?
You only flip the power, from 5/1 to 1/5 to 5/1.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
I'm going to disagree with mlerner on this one. The switch is a may effect, so you're definitely correct about choosing. However, it doesn't actually matter when you switch the p/t- all p/t changing effects are applied to the original p/t. Blood, however, does check the final p/t, so you would deal 16 to your opponent's face, I believe.
Wouldn't it only deal 5, since the last power is 5?
Why would his last power be 5?
You only flip the power, from 5/1 to 1/5 to 5/1.
First of all, he's only flipping the p/t once. It's a may effect, he can choose how many times it flips. Secondly, he's applying the toughness buffs on the stack before Blood resolves.
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
I'm going to disagree with mlerner on this one. The switch is a may effect, so you're definitely correct about choosing. However, it doesn't actually matter when you switch the p/t- all p/t changing effects are applied to the original p/t. Blood, however, does check the final p/t, so you would deal 16 to your opponent's face, I believe.
Wouldn't it only deal 5, since the last power is 5?
Why would his last power be 5?
You only flip the power, from 5/1 to 1/5 to 5/1.
First of all, he's only flipping the p/t once. It's a may effect, he can choose how many times it flips. Secondly, he's applying the toughness buffs on the stack before Blood resolves.
Oh, I misread the order of casting. You are correct, carry on, I should be more careful.
613.3e (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=613.3e): Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.
Example: A 1/3 creature is given +0/+1 by an effect. Then another effect switches the creature's power and toughness. Its new power and toughness is 4/1. A new effect gives the creature +5/+0. Its "unswitched" power and toughness would be 6/4, so its actual power and toughness is 4/6.
Example: A 1/3 creature is given +0/+1 by an effect. Then another effect switches the creature's power and toughness. Its new power and toughness is 4/1. If the +0/+1 effect ends before the switch effect ends, the creature becomes 3/1.
So you are correct. It would be a 16/1 until end of turn and it would deal 16 damage to your opponent.
i feel like this would be easier if you just let it All resolve first and then cast {flesh/blood}. since when you cast an instant or sorcery the the trigger for {fluxcharger} goes on the stack and will resolve before the relevant spell that triggered it will. if all the buffing resolves, then with the stack empty you can cast {flesh} and choose to switch in response to the trigger.