I would like to open a trial against {Mlerner12}.
user accused: {Mlerner12}
Victims: {Nyghthawk}, {Arbitratur}, {Spikepit}, {imthelolrus}, {whitedrake}
He has won his share of cards in the "5 rare giveaway" and has not sent out cards to the winners of 2 of his contests, myself being one of the winners, and Nyghthawk being the other.
He claimed to me that he sent out his end numerous times so i started to think maybe it legitimately got lost in the mail, then when I found out Nyghthawk had not received his cards either from him I put two and two together.
Again I contacted him and he told me that he thought he sent them out but apparently "must of forgot" all of a sudden. So he says to me that he sent out "for real" this time.... Well that was 2 1/2 weeks ago, still no cards...
Now I realize that it was not a straight up trade but the way the game works is that you receive cards from winning, then you send out cards to the next winner, I have sent my cards out and he has gained at least 10 rares by STEALING THEM!
Now for someone who is so quick to post all over these forums, you would think he would have the decency not to steal cards from other people, especially since he's seen what's happened to the previous people.
I only live a couple states over from him so it should not take this long to receive the cards, I got cards from Canada faster than that...
It's not right, and would like to see the cards that we were promised get to us.
This comes from him:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Arbitratur on October 22, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Teeth?
That was fast.
Prizes are as follows:
{Temple of Silence}
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Aegis Angel}
Foiled {Firedrinjer Satyr}
{Vault of the Archangel}
Arbitratur
October 30, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
Just wondering if u sent out the rares like u said, just haven't received them yet 😜
Mlerner12
October 30, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
Hmm, I sent them out. My post office is bad, let me talk to them
Arbitratur
October 30, 2013, 10:57:36 PM
Okay just wondering maybe they'll arrive in the next couple days!
Arbitratur
November 04, 2013, 10:17:51 AM
Did u check the post office? Just wondering b/c still no cards... :/
Mlerner12
November 04, 2013, 10:25:57 AM
Hmm... They said it sent
Arbitratur
November 04, 2013, 10:46:15 AM
Weird, that sucks. Maybe it'll show up sooner or later haha
_________________________________
Then this we found out:
Quote from: Arbitratur on November 19, 2013, 02:30:38 AM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on November 18, 2013, 06:39:20 PM
I might start giving hints soon. I haven't gotten cards from the contest I won so haven't been rushing this as its been a couple weeks and I have noting yet. Supposed to get them soon.
That's funny, the contest I won was hosted from the same person, {Mlerner12}. And I still have not received my cards, this is now close to a month ago, he claims he sent them out but now you say this... I'm starting to get a feeling he is collecting cards from contests and then not sending his end out... I have all the PM's between me and him....
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 19, 2013, 07:19:33 AM
Sorry, it's even hectic recently and I'm sending today.
_____________________________
Then back to PM's:
Mlerner12
November 19, 2013, 07:16:29 AM
Yeah, I've not been able to send, I'm sending today.
Arbitratur
November 19, 2013, 07:33:16 AM
Seriously?...
November 19, 2013, 07:38:08 AM
Dude that's really kinda messed up... You claimed to me over and over again that you sent the cards Which I now know that you were lying to my face. And now because you got caught you are Finally going to send your end. You can't accept into a contest and receive cards and then not follow the rules and not send your end... Because you are active on these forums I will choose to overlook this If I do in fact receive my cards But if not I'm just forewarning you that we will take you to trial And I will post everything that you messaged me About claims that you have sent me my cards. I hope this is a lesson to you that crime does not pay...
Also don't forget that you owe Nyghthawk cards... And please don't ever do this to someone again!
Mlerner12
Re: Seriously?...
November 19, 2013, 07:44:07 AM
Yeah, my life has been way too hectic... I didn't mean to lie because I thought I sent out but I guess I didn't send out your cards
Mlerner12
November 19, 2013, 05:05:48 PM
I sent out today, 7 rares and not 5.
Arbitratur
November 21, 2013, 04:17:27 AM
Alright thanks, I look forward to receiving them... I hope the original 5 are still part of the 7 you sent me?
Mlerner12
November 21, 2013, 07:20:04 AM
Yes.
Arbitratur
November 29, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
Hey, wondering when you sent them cards out, still haven't received then yet...
Mlerner12
November 29, 2013, 02:57:47 PM
Yes, indeed I have but it's thanksgiving do they might not have sent.
Is it possible he sent to the wrong address?
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 04:50:33 PM
Is it possible he sent to the wrong address?
Unlikely as this is not the only case of this happen from Mlerner at this present time. One address being written wrong yes, but three, possibly more, 🐟🐟🐟
:o I sent them out a few days ago! I remember I got in an argument with the post office on machinable and non machinable.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
:o I sent them out a few days ago! I remember I got in an argument with the post office on machinable and non machinable.
Okay so now what day did you send out? Because now this is the 3rd date you are claiming to have sent?
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
:o I sent them out a few days ago! I remember I got in an argument with the post office on machinable and non machinable.
Okay so now what day did you send out? Because now this is the 3rd date you are claiming to have sent?
Like a few days ago... Don't remember the exact day, but I know I was sending out multiple ends.
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 04:50:33 PM
Is it possible he sent to the wrong address?
To 2 people?
Three. I've been waiting two weeks for post confirmation on a trade too.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
:o I sent them out a few days ago! I remember I got in an argument with the post office on machinable and non machinable.
And did you send mine then also?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
Like a few days ago... Don't remember the exact day, but I know I was sending out multiple ends.
Again, was mine one of them?
Quote from: Spikepit on December 06, 2013, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 04:50:33 PM
Is it possible he sent to the wrong address?
To 2 people?
Three. I've been waiting two weeks for post confirmation on a trade too.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
:o I sent them out a few days ago! I remember I got in an argument with the post office on machinable and non machinable.
And did you send mine then also?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
Like a few days ago... Don't remember the exact day, but I know I was sending out multiple ends.
Again, was mine one of them?
No, our trade was not yet confirmed.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
:o I sent them out a few days ago! I remember I got in an argument with the post office on machinable and non machinable.
Okay so now what day did you send out? Because now this is the 3rd date you are claiming to have sent?
Like a few days ago... Don't remember the exact day, but I know I was sending out multiple ends.
So now you are saying a few days ago, which means approx. 3 days ago... Whilst you told me u sent out before thanksgiving...
What's your problem dude? I thought you were a decent guy? In a couple days are you going to have another send date for me?
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:23:21 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
:o I sent them out a few days ago! I remember I got in an argument with the post office on machinable and non machinable.
Okay so now what day did you send out? Because now this is the 3rd date you are claiming to have sent?
Like a few days ago... Don't remember the exact day, but I know I was sending out multiple ends.
So now you are saying a few days ago, which means approx. 3 days ago... Whilst you told me u sent out before thanksgiving...
What's your problem dude? I thought you were a decent guy? In a couple days are you going to have another send date for me?
I meant a few days like a weekish.
QuoteI meant a few days like a weekish.
Allow me to do math for you...
You said you sent out Nov. 19th
It is now Dec. 6th
That is 17 days....
And if you want to get technical I won on Nov. 22, that's 6 1/2 weeks... I think that's more than enough time to send...
That's a few weekishes huh..
I guess that was a different trade, and probably meant to send that to someone else. If you want, you can ban me. I'm fine with that, but I swear to any and all gods in any and all religions I sent out the cards.
You didn't steal anything.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
You didn't steal anything.
Thanks for believing me pal :) and I swear, if you think I stole anything ban me.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
You didn't steal anything.
Thanks for believing me pal :) and I swear, if you think I stole anything ban me.
I did say indirectly, the contest states you must send out 5 cards after you have received 5 cards. He has received 10 and sent out 0.
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:50:16 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
You didn't steal anything.
Thanks for believing me pal :) and I swear, if you think I stole anything ban me.
I did say indirectly, the contest states you must send out 5 cards after you have received 5 cards. He has received 10 and sent out 0.
No, I have sent out 14
And even then ionly received 5.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:50:16 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
You didn't steal anything.
Thanks for believing me pal :) and I swear, if you think I stole anything ban me.
I did say indirectly, the contest states you must send out 5 cards after you have received 5 cards. He has received 10 and sent out 0.
No, I have sent out 14
Listen, if I receive the cards, then by all means I will drop the trial for myself, but you still have 2 other people awaiting cards and like I said its been
6 1/2 weeks! I don't know that these cards are actually in route...
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 06, 2013, 05:50:16 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 06, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 06, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
You didn't steal anything.
Thanks for believing me pal :) and I swear, if you think I stole anything ban me.
I did say indirectly, the contest states you must send out 5 cards after you have received 5 cards. He has received 10 and sent out 0.
No, I have sent out 14
Listen, if I receive the cards, then by all means I will drop the trial for myself, but you still have 2 other people awaiting cards and like I said its been 6 1/2 weeks! I don't know that these cards are actually in route...
They are, or should be (my post sucks, they've lost my letters before), and Spike I just agreed to trade with 3 days ago and have had play practice until 5:30 every day since, and my PO closes at 5. I'm getting his out tomorrow, or may I be struck by lightning.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 24, 2013, 10:02:04 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on November 24, 2013, 03:16:57 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 23, 2013, 11:45:23 PM
2__0 N___________e Road, G____e, OH 4___3. Send to M_____ Lerner
Okey dokey! It'll be in the mail tomorrow dude! Woot woot!
Huzzah!
Quote from: Spikepit on November 25, 2013, 05:33:16 AM
Mailed today, mon amie! Our lovely little sisters should be at you around Christmas! 🎅
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 26, 2013, 06:59:27 AM
Ok
As you can see, we agreed upon our trade just a wee bit more than 3 days ago. Granted, I had a mishap with mailing a day late but I was up front about it as you can see in the conversation below...
Quote from: Spikepit on November 28, 2013, 01:45:20 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 26, 2013, 06:59:27 AM
Ok
Mate, I just found your envelope on the counter under other stuff! My housemate who said they were posting letters that day can get ultra lazy sometimes! It's actually getting frustrating!!! Anyway, I'll get on that MYSELF ASAP.
Have you sent your half out yet?
Quote from: Spikepit on November 28, 2013, 09:51:40 PM
Ok, actually sent by mine own hands this time! I even watched it slip into the mail slit! Sorry for the mess around, pal!
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 28, 2013, 10:53:55 PM
No problem!
Now Im not cranky yet, Im just calling for some honesty as per The Law of this forum. There are other inconsistencies between your stories in PMs to me and what you've written on this public thread as to why my end hasnt been posted (regarding weather conditions and now sports training). I dont want to have to broadcast these PMs I speak of but I will if honesty isnt utilised. There's also the issue of giving different people different names. Again, I'm not cross yet. Im a firm believer in benefit of the doubt, but all Im asking is come consistency in your honesty.
P.S. Please wear rubber soled shoes tomorrow, just incase ;)
PPS I also don't believe you've stolen anything. You've proven in your amicable presence on the forum that you're too stand up a dude to do that. You just need to work on your tardiness and stickin to deadlines. Some people take things (like their possessions) very seriously. 👍
Noah (imthelolrus) has also been waiting on cards from mlerner for around a month now, I'm sure he will post the details here when he gets home.
Lerner, I know you're young. It's probably difficult for you to get to the post office whenever you'd like, but that's not an excuse to lie to people. You seem like a nice enough person. I hope this all gets settled and that in future trades you will be honest.
Quote from: Moneekahh on December 06, 2013, 08:41:27 PM
Noah (imthelolrus) has also been waiting on cards from mlerner for around a month now, I'm sure he will post the details here when he gets home.
Lerner, I know you're young. It's probably difficult for you to get to the post office whenever you'd like, but that's not an excuse to lie to people. You seem like a nice enough person. I hope this all gets settled and that in future trades you will be honest.
Yes, his were sent out weeks ago.
Quote from: Spikepit on December 06, 2013, 08:36:42 PM
PPS I also don't believe you've stolen anything. You've proven in your amicable presence on the forum that you're too stand up a dude to do that. You just need to work on your tardiness and stickin to deadlines. Some people take things (like their possessions) very seriously. 👍
Thanks, I'm going to talk to my PO tomorrow.
Yeah, I'm still waiting on a trade as well:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 26, 2013, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 26, 2013, 06:25:29 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 13, 2013, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 13, 2013, 10:19:54 AM
Hey, when did you send out the primal vigor? I know we traded maybe a week ago and Monday was a holiday so I'm not too concerned. Just haven't recieved yet and was curious (also wasn't sure if you recieved my side yet)
I did, and I haven't gotten to ship out yet, I've not been home recently :-\
Hey, have you had a chance to send out that card? I still haven't recieved :( let me know thanks
Yes, a few days ago- my post is very bad :-\
Quote from: imthelolrus on December 06, 2013, 10:12:19 PM
Yeah, I'm still waiting on a trade as well:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 26, 2013, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 26, 2013, 06:25:29 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 13, 2013, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 13, 2013, 10:19:54 AM
Hey, when did you send out the primal vigor? I know we traded maybe a week ago and Monday was a holiday so I'm not too concerned. Just haven't recieved yet and was curious (also wasn't sure if you recieved my side yet)
I did, and I haven't gotten to ship out yet, I've not been home recently :-\
Hey, have you had a chance to send out that card? I still haven't recieved :( let me know thanks
Yes, a few days ago- my post is very bad :-\
I think I sent the 24th ish
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is yet another reason to spend the extra dollar or so on tracking.
You can verify the date you have sent it, the current location of the mail and even the expected date of arrival.
With all this information, you would avoid trials as you have ACTUAL PROOF of sending etc.
I don't really know everything that is going on but I have traded with Mlerner12 and in my experience he is trustworthy guy. Sometimes mail gets lost and sometimes people have lives that get in the way of sending cards out. We should just be patient, Mlerner said he sent out a few days ago. If the cards haven't arrived in a few weeks then come back to trials but for now we should just wait.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 06, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
I don't really know everything that is going on but I have traded with Mlerner12 and in my experience he is trustworthy guy. Sometimes mail gets lost and sometimes people have lives that get in the way of sending cards out. We should just be patient, Mlerner said he sent out a few days ago. If the cards haven't arrived in a few weeks then come back to trials but for now we should just wait.
Thanks pal 👍 I'm going to talk to my office tomorrow, if they're open... There's a lot of snow here but it should be fine.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 06, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
I don't really know everything that is going on but I have traded with Mlerner12 and in my experience he is trustworthy guy. Sometimes mail gets lost and sometimes people have lives that get in the way of sending cards out. We should just be patient, Mlerner said he sent out a few days ago. If the cards haven't arrived in a few weeks then come back to trials but for now we should just wait.
It has been weeks....and weeks... That's the point.
Quote from: Wally on December 06, 2013, 10:28:05 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is yet another reason to spend the extra dollar or so on tracking.
You can verify the date you have sent it, the current location of the mail and even the expected date of arrival.
With all this information, you would avoid trials as you have ACTUAL PROOF of sending etc.
Yeah after my last few trades I feel like I need to ask for tracking to be apart of my shipping expenses in trading now
If you didn't send it just be honest; lying doesn't do anything but make you look like an ass
Quote from: Muggywuggy on December 07, 2013, 05:06:28 AM
Quote from: Wally on December 06, 2013, 10:28:05 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is yet another reason to spend the extra dollar or so on tracking.
You can verify the date you have sent it, the current location of the mail and even the expected date of arrival.
With all this information, you would avoid trials as you have ACTUAL PROOF of sending etc.
Yeah after my last few trades I feel like I need to ask for tracking to be apart of my shipping expenses in trading now
If you didn't send it just be honest; lying doesn't do anything but make you look like an ass
The thing is, I did send it, and Spike's I'm sending today.
Talked to my office today, and sent Spike's too. They said they shipped, but Arbitratir and Nyghthawks they said they shipped about a week late, and everyone should get their ends soon.
Did you get tracking on the new one you just sent?
How would a post office know when they sent individual mail? That's foolish to believe as they would have no idea.
That does sound pretty ridiculous for them to know when they've sent individual parcels of mail.. Unless you did get tracking, but then you wouldn't have to talk to your post office, just post the tracking number..
It's better to be in the wrong and honest about it than it is to {spin into myth} some story about how it's the post office's fault. If you forgot to mail something or whatever, just tell everyone. You sound redonk right now!
Do not lie is a pretty big rule on this forum. This multitude of fiascos seems littered with fiction.
I believe his "office" is his parents
No. I personally send all cards.
There is no way that your comment about the post office knowing when exactly they sent two particular pieces of mail is even remotely true. I don't know how you expected anyone to believe that. Like I said before, you should just be honest. You're young. No drivers license so you depend on someone else for rides to the post office, and since they aren't the ones trading, they're in no hurry. It's best to just be honest here. That last comment was a blatant lie. :(
Tho I don't remember the users name, this smells a lot like the guy who supposedly didn't send cards out cause his little brother was using the app, or he said his parents wouldn't let him trade anymore. Be careful I see a pattern.
Mlerner is an established member. It seems like these trade/prize winnings that are owed are all very recent.
Mlerner is a very unique and established persona and even respected standing outside this trial (and the occasional necrapost 😜). Even as one of the people involved with this trial, I'm going with I doubt that he's been a person of ill repute previously banned. Let's not jump to accusations of this caliber (especially in public eye) until the trial is done or until we mods have done our research into such allegations.
Mlerner's rep has been besmirched enough by this opened trial and I believe he may have learnt his lesson from us speaking up and calling him out on his discrepancy of truths. There's no need for the {angry mob} to make a Frankenstein's Monster out of him.
I've been doing some reading, but didn't someone else trade well with many users and then asked for high dollar trades and ripped people off?
My point is, just because someone has been a good trader in the past, doesn't make them any more reputable.
Quote from: Ertai on December 09, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
I've been doing some reading, but didn't someone else trade well with many users and then asked for high dollar trades and ripped people off?
My point is, just because someone has been a good trader in the past, doesn't make them any more reputable.
But these haven't been trades (except for spikepit but it's only been a couple of days). What this trial is about is the 5 rare giveaway.
Well, he did a trade with my finace a month ago with no cards recieved on our end. So there's that as well.
The trade with me began the 23rd of November and I sent mine only a few days later. There's that too, but let's not jump to conclusions yet.
...yet.
Quote from: Moneekahh on December 09, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Well, he did a trade with my finace a month ago with no cards recieved on our end. So there's that as well.
Had no idea. Sorry about that.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 09, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: Ertai on December 09, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
I've been doing some reading, but didn't someone else trade well with many users and then asked for high dollar trades and ripped people off?
My point is, just because someone has been a good trader in the past, doesn't make them any more reputable.
But these haven't been trades (except for spikepit but it's only been a couple of days). What this trial is about is the 5 rare giveaway.
Partly. That's irrelevant nonetheless.
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 09, 2013, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 09, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: Ertai on December 09, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
I've been doing some reading, but didn't someone else trade well with many users and then asked for high dollar trades and ripped people off?
My point is, just because someone has been a good trader in the past, doesn't make them any more reputable.
But these haven't been trades (except for spikepit but it's only been a couple of days). What this trial is about is the 5 rare giveaway.
Partly. That's irrelevant nonetheless.
Explain to me how it is irrelevant.
Well all that can be said now is to wait and see if he sent the cards. I highly doubt anyone will trade with him until this is resolved.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 09, 2013, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 09, 2013, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 09, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: Ertai on December 09, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
I've been doing some reading, but didn't someone else trade well with many users and then asked for high dollar trades and ripped people off?
My point is, just because someone has been a good trader in the past, doesn't make them any more reputable.
But these haven't been trades (except for spikepit but it's only been a couple of days). What this trial is about is the 5 rare giveaway.
Partly. That's irrelevant nonetheless.
Explain to me how it is irrelevant.
How is the nature of the deal relevant? If you take part in a trade or a game where you agree to send cards to someone and don't, there's a problem.
In the giveaway every person before giving cards away, wins cards from someone else so if you keep receiving cards but aren't sending any that's exactly the same as trading with someone and not sending your end....
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 09, 2013, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 09, 2013, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 09, 2013, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 09, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: Ertai on December 09, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
I've been doing some reading, but didn't someone else trade well with many users and then asked for high dollar trades and ripped people off?
My point is, just because someone has been a good trader in the past, doesn't make them any more reputable.
But these haven't been trades (except for spikepit but it's only been a couple of days). What this trial is about is the 5 rare giveaway.
Partly. That's irrelevant nonetheless.
Explain to me how it is irrelevant.
How is the nature of the deal relevant? If you take part in a trade or a game where you agree to send cards to someone and don't, there's a problem.
In the giveaway every person before giving cards away, wins cards from someone else so if you keep receiving cards but aren't sending any that's exactly the same as trading with someone and not sending your end....
The nature of the crime is relevant.
Taking part in a game where you win and in turn giveaway but don't is deceiving/stealing all the same.
Values may be different but stealing is stealing.
Mlerner may not be a thief but the trial is to make sure he comes clean or rectifies the situation.
Why does this really have to be explained?
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 09, 2013, 11:14:11 PM
Why does this really have to be explained?
It doesn't.
So as previously suggested, let's make a pot of tea, get a good book and just
wait patiently until the cards arrive, he rectifies it by other means or we (Mods) do our thing.
I think we need to hear about {imthelolrus}. {Mlerner12} has made statements, (wild statements) at that, about the first 3 people, what about {imthelolrus}? How come he has not gotten his cards yet? Are they going to be sent out?
*FYI, I added his name to the victim list {Moneekahh}.
Haha, Bone Mask.
Quote from: Spikepit on December 10, 2013, 12:49:54 AM
Haha, Bone Mask.
I laughed too when I saw the picture, bahahaha!
Hate to say it but these trials are in Mickey Mouse court. What we have is no set rules. Without setting up a structure for the trial section these trials are all based on ever members ideas of what is right and supposed to be done. Personally I think we need to as a group decide how the trial system should proceed. Examples. How long from trial posted to wait for a response. How long from response to wait for it to be fixed by the person on trial. So on and so forth.
Right now it seems that he bit off more then he could chew and decided to try and lie his way out of it. Maybe he is scamming. But with no deadlines posted we all jump to our own conclusions. And it seems like a bandwagon is forming.
Not meaning to hijack this trial just what I'm seeing.
I agree 100%
Hence why I've been trying to silence the chatter on this thread for the last 2 pages!!! The issue was raised, the point was made, he has jumped to action and nothing more needed to be said. INCLUDING comment of it being pointless.
This isn't me getting touchy because it hijacked a trial I'm involved with. This is a mod suggesting everyone back down and chill to let sleeping dogs lie until next steps can be taken. However, if you want to make comment for improvement on the trading system start a thread and don't undermine something important to someone else (again, not speaking for myself, I knew what I was getting into when trading. I'm talking on behalf of the others).
Thank you.
Have the cards been received yet? Spike, yours might take a few days longer than Arbitratur and Nyghthawks.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:27 PM
Have the cards been received yet? Spike, yours might take a few days longer than Arbitratur and Nyghthawks.
Still nothing...
Yeah, usually 2 weeks minimum. I'll let you know though instantaneously.
Quote from: Spikepit on December 14, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Yeah, usually 2 weeks minimum. I'll let you know though instantaneously.
Thanks!
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:04:27 PM
Have the cards been received yet? Spike, yours might take a few days longer than Arbitratur and Nyghthawks.
Nothing
Traded for Ashiok with Mlerner almost 2 months ago. He confirmed to get my end I have never received cards from him.
Wow this is ridiculous! Has anyone completed a successful trade with mlerner??
8 (I think) people.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 17, 2013, 01:36:22 PM
8 (I think) people.
So what's your excuse for {whitedrake}??
You should send first
You should include tracking
All accusations can be alleviated with simple tracking numbers.
Quote from: Moneekahh on December 17, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
Wow this is ridiculous! Has anyone completed a successful trade with mlerner??
I have, we didn't have any problems.
Quote from: Moneekahh on December 17, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
Wow this is ridiculous! Has anyone completed a successful trade with mlerner??
2 without a hitch :)
I have been waiting six weeks, yes a month and a half on a trade with Mlerner
Evidence:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 03, 2013, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 03, 2013, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 03, 2013, 04:29:56 PM
REMOVED
Thnx I will include the extra commander lands I meantioned :)
Cool, thanks!
I haven't heard an honest, truthful message to where my cards are because if they were sent when stated, they would definitely be here by now. I believe j was told two different times my cards were sent out so it seems likely they have yet to be mailed. (And if this is the case just be honest, it's a much better position then lying, we get that you're young and can't drive to the post office).
It's been so long that I've traded for an extra card I was supposed to get from you. I have only had negative trade experiences on here from young users. Older folks on here seem to understand the responsibilities of trading. However, after watching you Mlerner you seemed to be very mature and I certainly trusted you. This trial is your opportunity to repair what has occurred, clear your name, etc. we all make mistakes and of this sounds harsh I am sorry, naturally you can see why we victims are frustrated.
I appreciate evidence support Mlerner as trustworthy, but as it stands there is much more evidence that refutes this.
It's really all on the individual
You can type on an iPhone to say you're being productive but all you're doing is typing on the iPhone
I made a trade with him a while ago where his parents made me send first, got mine a week or two afterwards.
How long do the victims want to wait before moving on with a punishment for Mlerner?
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on December 18, 2013, 01:54:49 PM
How long do the victims want to wait before moving on with a punishment for Mlerner?
The end of this week. No later.
Noah is currently at work, but I know he's at his {Wit's End} with this trade.
I believe something more than just taking him off the Trusted Traders is needed though if it turns out that he did screw over 5 people and still not make it right...
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 18, 2013, 06:15:08 PM
I believe something more than just taking him off the Trusted Traders is needed though if it turns out that he did screw over 5 people and still not make it right...
I have made it right, but the cards are yet to be received.
Okay so I just FINALLY received the cards that {Mlerner12} promised me. And I thank you for making it right. Now I just hope that everyone else gets their ends, and I mean ALL of the others!
Now I'm not .female dog.ing at all because it was a 5 rare giveaway and the rules stated $5 value minimum. But here's the cards you said I was getting...
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Arbitratur on October 22, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Teeth?
That was fast.
Prizes are as follows:
{Temple of Silence}
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Aegis Angel}
Foiled {Firedrinjer Satyr}
{Vault of the Archangel}
Here's what I got:
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Wayfaring Temple}
{Polis Crusher}
{Scion of Vitu-Ghazi}
{Catch//Release}
{Beck//Call}
{Dragonshift} x2
Approx. $4.25 worth of garbage cards
So needless to say I was pretty stoked about what I was supposed to get... This was a pretty big let down. Especially since I asked him during this trial if I was still getting those 5 cards and he said yes... I guess that's a lot easier to promise than to actually do... Regardless of the matter, he did finally send out my end and I guess I'm halfway satisfied, but now let's all hope the other 4 victims will receive their end...
Morals of the story:
🔹Don't lie
🔹Don't Steal
🔹Don't trust a 13 year old
🔹Don't trade with {Mlerner12}
Quote from: Moneekahh on December 18, 2013, 03:07:26 PM
Noah is currently at work, but I know he's at his {Wit's End} with this trade.
🔹More posts like these.
(I'm literally having a giggle fit right now 😨)
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 18, 2013, 10:59:29 PM
here's the cards you said I was getting...
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Arbitratur on October 22, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Teeth?
That was fast.
Prizes are as follows:
{Temple of Silence}
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Aegis Angel}
Foiled {Firedrinjer Satyr}
{Vault of the Archangel}
Here's what I got:
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Wayfaring Temple}
{Polis Crusher}
{Scion of Vitu-Ghazi}
{Catch//Release}
{Beck//Call}
{Dragonshift} x2
Approx. $4.25 worth of garbage cards
So needless to say I was pretty stoked about what I was supposed to get... This was a pretty big let down. Especially since I asked him during this trial if I was still getting those 5 cards and he said yes...
Sounds like someone broke iMtG law, then.
Quote from: gtfotis on December 18, 2013, 11:51:54 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on December 18, 2013, 03:07:26 PM
Noah is currently at work, but I know he's at his {Wit's End} with this trade.
🔹More posts like these.
(I'm literally having a giggle fit right now 😨)
Thank you, folks! I'll be here all week! ;)
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 18, 2013, 10:59:29 PM
Morals of the story:
🔹Don't trust a 13 year old
🔹Don't trade with {Mlerner12}
^
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This seems like outstanding advise! Maturity is a virtue not often found in the young.
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 18, 2013, 10:59:29 PM
Okay so I just FINALLY received the cards that {Mlerner12} promised me. And I thank you for making it right. Now I just hope that everyone else gets their ends, and I mean ALL of the others!
Now I'm not .female dog.ing at all because it was a 5 rare giveaway and the rules stated $5 value minimum. But here's the cards you said I was getting...
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Arbitratur on October 22, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Teeth?
That was fast.
Prizes are as follows:
{Temple of Silence}
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Aegis Angel}
Foiled {Firedrinjer Satyr}
{Vault of the Archangel}
Here's what I got:
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Wayfaring Temple}
{Polis Crusher}
{Scion of Vitu-Ghazi}
{Catch//Release}
{Beck//Call}
{Dragonshift} x2
Approx. $4.25 worth of garbage cards
So needless to say I was pretty stoked about what I was supposed to get... This was a pretty big let down. Especially since I asked him during this trial if I was still getting those 5 cards and he said yes... I guess that's a lot easier to promise than to actually do... Regardless of the matter, he did finally send out my end and I guess I'm halfway satisfied, but now let's all hope the other 4 victims will receive their end...
Morals of the story:
🔹Don't lie
🔹Don't Steal
🔹Don't trust a 13 year old
🔹Don't trade with {Mlerner12}
I must have miscounted, I'll send you more 😁
I'm 13 and I have 3 perfect trades, 4 if you count 1 through youtube. So don't trust 13 year olds seems a bit harsh
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on December 19, 2013, 08:27:09 AM
I'm 13 and I have 3 perfect trades, 4 if you count 1 through youtube. So don't trust 13 year olds seems a bit harsh
Mlerner12 had 8 good trades before this bullhockey. The track record is not good among the younger iMtgers. As for you, dimiroverlord1300, keep up the good work. There should always be exceptions to restore our faith in those we have given up on.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 19, 2013, 07:05:14 AM
Quote from: Arbitratur on December 18, 2013, 10:59:29 PM
Okay so I just FINALLY received the cards that {Mlerner12} promised me. And I thank you for making it right. Now I just hope that everyone else gets their ends, and I mean ALL of the others!
Now I'm not .female dog.ing at all because it was a 5 rare giveaway and the rules stated $5 value minimum. But here's the cards you said I was getting...
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Arbitratur on October 22, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Teeth?
That was fast.
Prizes are as follows:
{Temple of Silence}
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Aegis Angel}
Foiled {Firedrinjer Satyr}
{Vault of the Archangel}
Here's what I got:
{Duskmantle Seer}
{Wayfaring Temple}
{Polis Crusher}
{Scion of Vitu-Ghazi}
{Catch//Release}
{Beck//Call}
{Dragonshift} x2
Approx. $4.25 worth of garbage cards
So needless to say I was pretty stoked about what I was supposed to get... This was a pretty big let down. Especially since I asked him during this trial if I was still getting those 5 cards and he said yes... I guess that's a lot easier to promise than to actually do... Regardless of the matter, he did finally send out my end and I guess I'm halfway satisfied, but now let's all hope the other 4 victims will receive their end...
Morals of the story:
🔹Don't lie
🔹Don't Steal
🔹Don't trust a 13 year old
🔹Don't trade with {Mlerner12}
I must have miscounted, I'll send you more 😁
It's not about miscounting, it was about not sending the promised cards, if your gonna send .75¢ of garbage cards then please don't bother...
As for you {DimirOverlord}, like {TonyGraboski} said, keep up the good work! But also you have a little to work on yourself. Personally, When we were trying to make a trade on 2 separate occasions, with you not being on the Trusted Trader list, you would not send first, which if your patents wouldn't allow it then okay, I completely understand. But then I was made aware that you agreed on a trade, but waited to receive your cards before sending out your end which people will not be okay with. Unless its stated beforehand you cannot do that. Sorry, I don't mean to sound so harsh. Regardless, you are doing great though, keep up the good work!
As a 12 year old with like 10 trades... I agree, that statement wasn't entirely true. Use whatever caution you like though!
Quote from: Noblellama on December 19, 2013, 11:16:03 PM
I'd like to vouch for dimiroverlord as a good trader currently, we agreed, he had to ask his folks,hey ok'd it, he sent first, I told him I was going to send also, he asked me to wait for his to arrive to make sure it was all good.
I like him and to date I think he is doing well and I respect his courtesy :)
Isn't this thread about Mlerner?
Quote from: Ertai on December 19, 2013, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 19, 2013, 11:16:03 PM
I'd like to vouch for dimiroverlord as a good trader currently, we agreed, he had to ask his folks,hey ok'd it, he sent first, I told him I was going to send also, he asked me to wait for his to arrive to make sure it was all good.
I like him and to date I think he is doing well and I respect his courtesy :)
Isn't this thread about Mlerner?
It seems that the proverbial pot got stirred.
Annnnd back on topic...
Have you other four received your end yet. I'm a little further away so if they were sent I won't be expecting mine for a little while yet.
Quote from: Spikepit on December 20, 2013, 12:22:02 AM
Annnnd back on topic...
Have you other four received your end yet. I'm a little further away so if they were sent I won't be expecting mine for a little while yet.
I have not
Posting simply so I can stay updated on the outcome of this thread because before I was aware of it I was about to enter a trade with Mlerner and need to know the resolution of this to decide whether or not I will complete my trade with him.
Quote from: Destore117 on December 22, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Posting simply so I can stay updated on the outcome of this thread because before I was aware of it I was about to enter a trade with Mlerner and need to know the resolution of this to decide whether or not I will complete my trade with him.
I just got mine. Will post later.
You can trade with him but make him send first. No question.
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 22, 2013, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on December 22, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Posting simply so I can stay updated on the outcome of this thread because before I was aware of it I was about to enter a trade with Mlerner and need to know the resolution of this to decide whether or not I will complete my trade with him.
I just got mine. Will post later.
You can trade with him but make him send first. No question.
Seems fair.
Arbitratur and NyghtHawk, since you guys didn't get the cards promised I'll send about 5-6 dollars more of cards (2-3 cards) when I get home from vacation.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 22, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 22, 2013, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on December 22, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Posting simply so I can stay updated on the outcome of this thread because before I was aware of it I was about to enter a trade with Mlerner and need to know the resolution of this to decide whether or not I will complete my trade with him.
I just got mine. Will post later.
You can trade with him but make him send first. No question.
Seems fair.
Arbitratur and NyghtHawk, since you guys didn't get the cards promised I'll send about 5-6 dollars more of cards (2-3 cards) when I get home from vacation.
I'm not worried on value for my end, my problem is with lying. I'm glad you sent but not happy you lied many times over to me and others. That is why I feel it is necessary to have you send first in trades no question.
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 22, 2013, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 22, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on December 22, 2013, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on December 22, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Posting simply so I can stay updated on the outcome of this thread because before I was aware of it I was about to enter a trade with Mlerner and need to know the resolution of this to decide whether or not I will complete my trade with him.
I just got mine. Will post later.
You can trade with him but make him send first. No question.
Seems fair.
Arbitratur and NyghtHawk, since you guys didn't get the cards promised I'll send about 5-6 dollars more of cards (2-3 cards) when I get home from vacation.
I'm not worried on value for my end, my problem is with lying. I'm glad you sent but not happy you lied many times over to me and others. That is why I feel it is necessary to have you send first in trades no question.
Yeah, I'm real sorry about that, I was having some life troubles
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nmymZprfyek/UHABzApggtI/AAAAAAAAIXo/uTQiIflmMCY/s1600/If+you+tell+the+truth+you+don%27t+have+to+remember+anything.jpg)
Not really relevant, but thought I'd share...
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/dont-believe-everything-you-see-on-the-internet.jpg)
Wow Abe was always ahead of his time!!!
Dat mark twain.
I received my end of the deal today (finally) with two extra awesome cards and in lovely sleeves!
Thanks mate. I hope you've learnt from this experience.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 30, 2013, 07:30:42 PM
Who remains to be compensated?
Me, but I'm not too worried now that others are reporting they've recieved cards from Mlerner
Minor detail here.
I send out as soon as I get my cards. not before or later.
I am still waiting on Draincleaner's cards. I pm ed him, be forgot and sent, I'm recieving soon, no big deal. Arbitratur was the person who won my contest then. I was not supposed to send Arbitratur's cards yet, and I sent much earlier than I was supposed to. Minor detail, but Arbitratur technically had no grounds to bring me to trial himself.
Just a minor detail.
-m12
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
Minor detail here.
I send out as soon as I get my cards. not before or later.
I am still waiting on Draincleaner's cards. I pm ed him, be forgot and sent, I'm recieving soon, no big deal. Arbitratur was the person who won my contest then. I was not supposed to send Arbitratur's cards yet, and I sent much earlier than I was supposed to. Minor detail, but Arbitratur technically had no grounds to bring me to trial himself.
Just a minor detail.
-m12
I have evidence that disputes this:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 09, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
Arrived super duper fast, and included an extra land I needed! A+ trader
This was on the 9th, it's been almost two months since you recieved my cards and I would have my card from you if you did send after recieving.
I personally have no issue with you waiting to receive to send, but others might.
In addition, who's Draincleaner? He isn't listed under the victims. More context is needed to clarify your post.
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 01, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
Minor detail here.
I send out as soon as I get my cards. not before or later.
I am still waiting on Draincleaner's cards. I pm ed him, be forgot and sent, I'm recieving soon, no big deal. Arbitratur was the person who won my contest then. I was not supposed to send Arbitratur's cards yet, and I sent much earlier than I was supposed to. Minor detail, but Arbitratur technically had no grounds to bring me to trial himself.
Just a minor detail.
-m12
I have evidence that disputes this:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 09, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
Arrived super duper fast, and included an extra land I needed! A+ trader
This was on the 9th, it's been almost two months since you recieved my cards and I would have my card from you if you did send after recieving.
I personally have no issue with you waiting to receive to send, but others might.
Yours I'm honestly genuinely concerned were lost in the mail, they really should've gotten there by weeks ago
Also; I'm not saying I had no right to be brought to trial, just that Arbitratur himself had no grounds ;)
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 01, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
Minor detail here.
I send out as soon as I get my cards. not before or later.
I am still waiting on Draincleaner's cards. I pm ed him, be forgot and sent, I'm recieving soon, no big deal. Arbitratur was the person who won my contest then. I was not supposed to send Arbitratur's cards yet, and I sent much earlier than I was supposed to. Minor detail, but Arbitratur technically had no grounds to bring me to trial himself.
Just a minor detail.
-m12
I have evidence that disputes this:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 09, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
Arrived super duper fast, and included an extra land I needed! A+ trader
This was on the 9th, it's been almost two months since you recieved my cards and I would have my card from you if you did send after recieving.
I personally have no issue with you waiting to receive to send, but others might.
Yours I'm honestly genuinely concerned were lost in the mail, they really should've gotten there by weeks ago
Also; I'm not saying I had no right to be brought to trial, just that Arbitratur himself had no grounds ;)
You repeatedly lied about sending out cards in such a way that it appeared that if allowed to continue doing so you would have simply stolen what you received from the contest. That is a perfectly valid reason to bring someone to trials, at least so the community knows of their tendency to lie.
Quote from: abstractApathist on January 01, 2014, 06:55:18 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 01, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
Minor detail here.
I send out as soon as I get my cards. not before or later.
I am still waiting on Draincleaner's cards. I pm ed him, be forgot and sent, I'm recieving soon, no big deal. Arbitratur was the person who won my contest then. I was not supposed to send Arbitratur's cards yet, and I sent much earlier than I was supposed to. Minor detail, but Arbitratur technically had no grounds to bring me to trial himself.
Just a minor detail.
-m12
I have evidence that disputes this:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 09, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
Arrived super duper fast, and included an extra land I needed! A+ trader
This was on the 9th, it's been almost two months since you recieved my cards and I would have my card from you if you did send after recieving.
I personally have no issue with you waiting to receive to send, but others might.
Yours I'm honestly genuinely concerned were lost in the mail, they really should've gotten there by weeks ago
Also; I'm not saying I had no right to be brought to trial, just that Arbitratur himself had no grounds ;)
You repeatedly lied about sending out cards in such a way that it appeared that if allowed to continue doing so you would have simply stolen what you received from the contest. That is a perfectly valid reason to bring someone to trials, at least so the community knows of their tendency to lie.
I had not Recieved from that contest, didn't you pay attention? I didn't receive and this was not supposed to send, his cards were not supposed to be sent until I Recieved, so this he had no grounds as I did not screw him over in any way, I sent multiple weeks early, actually,
Quote from: Taysby on January 01, 2014, 07:01:47 PM
So if someone robs your house, does that give you permission to rob your neighbors? You are saying if the person before you didn't send, then you don't have to send either. That is incorrect. By participation the contest, you agreed to send out your prize.m if you didn't send just because you didn't get your prize is exactly like stealing just because you were stolen from.
One contest rule is that you send out
when you get the person before yours end. And so that means I was never supposed to send out, as I never Recieved my part. So this arbitrarurs was never supposed to be sent.
All right guys. Let's just bring it down a bit. No use in arguing.
Mlerner, once everyone receives (don't know who hasn't at this point) their cards, guilt will be wiped away. However, since your actual trade dealings could be conceived as sketchy, this trial is staying up.
Let's all just calm down and avoid stoking the fire for the time being.
I agree with Mike, can we all calm down?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 07:09:40 PM
I agree with Mike, can we all calm down?
Actually you brought all this up for no reason. Lolrus is the only one waiting. Everyone else has dropped it since they received their cards.
I meant me... I need to calm down... Everyone else is fine.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 01, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 07:09:40 PM
I agree with Mike, can we all calm down?
Actually you brought all this up for no reason. Lolrus is the only one waiting. Everyone else has dropped it since they received their cards.
And The Lolrus has said he isn't fussed as well. The dust had settled, people were moving on. Of course everyone is going to start coughing and splattering and getting cranky again.
The trial stays up, unfortunately the status you have accrued sticks but redemption can be achieved over time. You've already made some steps as such with your extra cards and sending out trades en force. Try not to tarnish it, buddy. Sleeping dogs lie, owning your actions, learning and growing and all that.
Finally after two months I got the card we agreed on during our trade...;)
Everything ok for me...;)
Is that the last?
Has everyone received what they were due?
Imthelolrus is still waiting.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 01, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 01, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
Minor detail here.
I send out as soon as I get my cards. not before or later.
I am still waiting on Draincleaner's cards. I pm ed him, be forgot and sent, I'm recieving soon, no big deal. Arbitratur was the person who won my contest then. I was not supposed to send Arbitratur's cards yet, and I sent much earlier than I was supposed to. Minor detail, but Arbitratur technically had no grounds to bring me to trial himself.
Just a minor detail.
-m12
I have evidence that disputes this:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 09, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
Arrived super duper fast, and included an extra land I needed! A+ trader
This was on the 9th, it's been almost two months since you recieved my cards and I would have my card from you if you did send after recieving.
I personally have no issue with you waiting to receive to send, but others might.
Yours I'm honestly genuinely concerned were lost in the mail, they really should've gotten there by weeks ago
Also; I'm not saying I had no right to be brought to trial, just that Arbitratur himself had no grounds ;)
This just irks me, so because Arbitratur was not a "true victim" he should have just stood by and watched your lies accrue until he was sure he had been scammed? Lol
Just curious mlerner, do you remember when exactly you mailed out the cards for lolrus?
Quote from: Moneekahh on January 10, 2014, 01:37:28 PM
Just curious mlerner, do you remember when exactly you mailed out the cards for lolrus?
Yeah I think either they were never sent or are lost, still haven't recieved anything from you :/ perhaps you could resend something?
Quote from: Noblellama on January 10, 2014, 02:38:41 PM
Lolrus, what does he owe you?
A {Primal Vigor}. I don't really need the card anymore (I have Doublkng season now, which is better), it's more a matter of principal that I am owed cards and its been over two months. If you can be active in the forms surely there is time to package up 5$ worth of cards and ask your parents to drop it off next time they're at USPS.
Did he bother to use tracking this time, or are you just hoping to get cards?
Can't remember the exact date, but it was either October or November 20-30 ish.... If memory serves.
If it doesn't get to you I'll send some 6-10 dollars of cards, then try to get another Vigor and send that to you if I can get it. Just out if principal.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 10, 2014, 05:54:53 PM
Can't remember the exact date, but it was either October or November 20-30 ish.... If memory serves.
If it doesn't get to you I'll send some 6-10 dollars of cards, then try to get another Vigor and send that to you if I can get it. Just out if principal.
Okay, I'm patient and can wait a little longer, I'll PM you if it arrives or doesn't. I appreciate you taking responsibility and conpensating for the extreme delay. Not to mention being more honest, shows maturity 👍
It's just mind boggling. Tracking costs like 1.90 more. It would have solved all of this
Quote from: Stromack on January 10, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
It's just mind boggling. Tracking costs like 1.90 more. It would have solved all of this
He's like 13.
Quote from: Ertai on January 11, 2014, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Stromack on January 10, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
It's just mind boggling. Tracking costs like 1.90 more. It would have solved all of this
He's like 13.
Send him to Juvie then. Something needs to be done. He has displayed zero accountability. Unacceptable!
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
BURN THE WITCH!!!!!!!
That escalated quickly.
Quote from: Tonygrabowski4 on January 11, 2014, 12:53:31 AM
Quote from: Ertai on January 11, 2014, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Stromack on January 10, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
It's just mind boggling. Tracking costs like 1.90 more. It would have solved all of this
He's like 13.
Send him to Juvie then. Something needs to be done. He has displayed zero accountability. Unacceptable!
? No crime has been committed according to the US government. Lolrus's cards are en route or lost in the mail, which I have already said I'm doing something about. I havedone stuff about it. Everyone else has received their cards.
I'm pretty sure it was the 21st or something.
No offense, but I feel like in the future you should invest in tracking for every transaction. Reading through this mess, there are many inconsistencies with your stories.
There needs to be some sense of self accountability when trading online with people. A letter sent on the 21st would've obviously been mailed and received by now.
I have nothing to do with this, but damn that got me angry.
I think his attitude about the whole situation is what's bothering me.. I know it's in text and he might not be trying to come off like this, but his posts sound so rude about the whole situation. If you sounded just the least bit sincere about it, whether the cards got lost or you just failed to ship cards, it'd just be a little easier for people to deal with how much time this whole thing is taking. Stop making sarcastic posts.
Or maybe I'm just crazy.
.. It could just be the latter. 😋
Quote from: gtfotis on January 11, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
I think his attitude about the whole situation is what's bothering me.. I know it's in text and he might not be trying to come off like this, but his posts sound so rude about the whole situation. If you sounded just the least bit sincere about it, whether the cards got lost or you just failed to ship cards, it'd just be a little easier for people to deal with how much time this whole thing is taking. Stop making sarcastic posts.
Or maybe I'm just crazy.
.. It could just be the latter. 😋
Agreed. Why bring up the fact "I haven't broken any US laws"?? Clearly that sounds like someone who has no remorse for the situation.
Perhaps no physical law has been broken, but there is a morality law that has definitely been.
Quote from: Stromack on January 11, 2014, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: gtfotis on January 11, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
I think his attitude about the whole situation is what's bothering me.. I know it's in text and he might not be trying to come off like this, but his posts sound so rude about the whole situation. If you sounded just the least bit sincere about it, whether the cards got lost or you just failed to ship cards, it'd just be a little easier for people to deal with how much time this whole thing is taking. Stop making sarcastic posts.
Or maybe I'm just crazy.
.. It could just be the latter. 😋
Agreed. Why bring up the fact "I haven't broken any US laws"?? Clearly that sounds like someone who has no remorse for the situation.
Perhaps no physical law has been broken, but there is a morality law that has definitely been.
It's because someone brought up juvy.
Let's get the pitch forks and torches...... Really seems like he is becoming a lightning rod for a lot of unnecessary posts. This should be a dead topic and him put on the untrustworthy trader. That's just how I see it. Figured I might as well toss in my two cents since it got to 11 pages.
Really, the only people who should have a right to get their back up at this point is Imthelolrus and maybe Moneekaah by extension and as you can see, they are quite civil about it.
Mlerner is young, yet to master social cues and navigation, hell I know 30yrs olds who are worse. He is learning/has learned. I'm not justifying his actions or backing him up (as I was a Victim of this trial once upon a time too), but I am saying this trial doesn't need anymore hostility especially if the remaining victim/s are passive about the situation.
Let the mods deal with it, we'll ascertain whether Untrustworthy Traders is the right course of action or just warnings considering the victims who HAVE received their ends also receive some rad extras (not speaking for each).
So to reiterate (many) of my past posts on this thread: just chill people. You know not to Trade with him or to trade at your own discretion. The end.
PS Tracking is becoming almost a mandatory thing when trading through mail; agreed. Whose to verify I actually received my end and an now saying I didn't to receive more. It works both ways, therefore, tracking is a must.
Quote from: gtfotis on January 11, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
It's because someone brought up juvy.
Which was in jest. The "send him to juvie" part anyhow. I just want to see something done about situations like these. I have had no personal dealings with mlerner12, but he has shown a blatant disregard for the rules and this community. The fact that, after a trial was opened, he has squirmed around the truth and made partial amends does not forgive the offense.
{loxodon ban-hammer}
Quote from: gtfotis on January 11, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
I think his attitude about the whole situation is what's bothering me.. I know it's in text and he might not be trying to come off like this, but his posts sound so rude about the whole situation. If you sounded just the least bit sincere about it, whether the cards got lost or you just failed to ship cards, it'd just be a little easier for people to deal with how much time this whole thing is taking. Stop making sarcastic posts.
Or maybe I'm just crazy.
.. It could just be the latter. 😋
That's always been my problem, I try not to sound angry but in the end I do, I'm sorry. I'm trying not to be rude, I'm just bad at it 😞
Quote from: Tonygrabowski4 on January 11, 2014, 05:20:11 PM
Quote from: gtfotis on January 11, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
It's because someone brought up juvy.
Which was in jest. The "send him to juvie" part anyhow. I just want to see something done about situations like these. I have had no personal dealings with mlerner12, but he has shown a blatant disregard for the rules and this community. The fact that, after a trial was opened, he has squirmed around the truth and made partial amends does not forgive the offense.
Hey, it was on text! How could I tell??? Lol
There needs to be a major appogligy and new cards need to be shipped with tracking.
Before this explodes into another {Armageddon}
Quote from: CommanderUnderSorin on January 11, 2014, 09:15:26 PM
There needs to be a major appogligy and new cards need to be shipped with tracking.
Before this explodes into another {Armageddon}
Have you read the trial? He HAS apologized and cards HAVE been sent out to most people for sure. The only exception is thelolrus and that is(supposedly) getting taken care of.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 11, 2014, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: CommanderUnderSorin on January 11, 2014, 09:15:26 PM
There needs to be a major appogligy and new cards need to be shipped with tracking.
Before this explodes into another {Armageddon}
Have you read the trial? He HAS apologized and cards HAVE been sent out to most people for sure. The only exception is thelolrus and that is(supposedly) getting taken care of.
Wasn't trying to be violent. Sorry :(
I read the trial yes! But I was just thinking of thelolrus and got emotional about being on the wrong end of cards.(trade,giveaway)
Sorry I apologize.
Quote from: CommanderUnderSorin on January 11, 2014, 11:07:52 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 11, 2014, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: CommanderUnderSorin on January 11, 2014, 09:15:26 PM
There needs to be a major appogligy and new cards need to be shipped with tracking.
Before this explodes into another {Armageddon}
Have you read the trial? He HAS apologized and cards HAVE been sent out to most people for sure. The only exception is thelolrus and that is(supposedly) getting taken care of.
Wasn't trying to be violent. Sorry :(
I read the trial yes! But I was just thinking of thelolrus and got emotional about being on the wrong end of cards.(trade,giveaway)
Sorry I apologize.
No problem :)
Have you seen anything yet, Imthelolrus?
Quote from: Spikepit on January 26, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Have you seen anything yet, Imthelolrus?
Nothing yet, but we had this exchange:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 17, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Today I won't be home until late and tomorrow I have hockey, but on Sunday I'll send replacements. It won't be a Vigor, sadly, but it will be more than enough to buy one.
So I take it something has been sent to me and I'll get it this week. Can you confirm in here if something has been sent to me & the date Mlerner?
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 26, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Have you seen anything yet, Imthelolrus?
Nothing yet, but we had this exchange:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 17, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Today I won't be home until late and tomorrow I have hockey, but on Sunday I'll send replacements. It won't be a Vigor, sadly, but it will be more than enough to buy one.
So I take it something has been sent to me and I'll get it this week. Can you confirm in here if something has been sent to me & the date Mlerner?
there was literally 2.7 feet of snow on the ground these past weekishes, I couldn't leave the house. It should melt by Thursday.
So now you're saying you haven't sent yet?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 28, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 26, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Have you seen anything yet, Imthelolrus?
Nothing yet, but we had this exchange:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 17, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Today I won't be home until late and tomorrow I have hockey, but on Sunday I'll send replacements. It won't be a Vigor, sadly, but it will be more than enough to buy one.
So I take it something has been sent to me and I'll get it this week. Can you confirm in here if something has been sent to me & the date Mlerner?
there was literally 2.7 feet of snow on the ground these past weekishes, I couldn't leave the house. It should melt by Thursday.
Shovel? Snowblower? Plows? 2.7 ft does not shut a town down for weeks...
Quote from: Arbitratur on January 29, 2014, 02:00:25 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 28, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 26, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Have you seen anything yet, Imthelolrus?
Nothing yet, but we had this exchange:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 17, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Today I won't be home until late and tomorrow I have hockey, but on Sunday I'll send replacements. It won't be a Vigor, sadly, but it will be more than enough to buy one.
So I take it something has been sent to me and I'll get it this week. Can you confirm in here if something has been sent to me & the date Mlerner?
there was literally 2.7 feet of snow on the ground these past weekishes, I couldn't leave the house. It should melt by Thursday.
Shovel? Snowblower? Plows? 2.7 ft does not shut a town down for weeks...
In my town it does...
4" killed Atlanta.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 28, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 26, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Have you seen anything yet, Imthelolrus?
Nothing yet, but we had this exchange:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 17, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Today I won't be home until late and tomorrow I have hockey, but on Sunday I'll send replacements. It won't be a Vigor, sadly, but it will be more than enough to buy one.
So I take it something has been sent to me and I'll get it this week. Can you confirm in here if something has been sent to me & the date Mlerner?
there was literally 2.7 feet of snow on the ground these past weekishes, I couldn't leave the house. It should melt by Thursday.
You wouldn't have had this problem had you sent when you were supposed to.
Lolrus has the patience of a saint.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 29, 2014, 02:29:54 AM
Quote from: Arbitratur on January 29, 2014, 02:00:25 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 28, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 26, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Have you seen anything yet, Imthelolrus?
Nothing yet, but we had this exchange:
Quote from: Mlerner12 on January 17, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Today I won't be home until late and tomorrow I have hockey, but on Sunday I'll send replacements. It won't be a Vigor, sadly, but it will be more than enough to buy one.
So I take it something has been sent to me and I'll get it this week. Can you confirm in here if something has been sent to me & the date Mlerner?
there was literally 2.7 feet of snow on the ground these past weekishes, I couldn't leave the house. It should melt by Thursday.
Shovel? Snowblower? Plows? 2.7 ft does not shut a town down for weeks...
In my town it does...
It does here too.
And mike, more than that.
It's true, Mlerner I have been very patient and understanding with the whole situation, and please understand this is the final acceptable excuse or life event -- however you want to define the delay. Hope the weather clears up soon, I'm hopeful you'll send when it does :)
Quote from: Noblellama on January 29, 2014, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 29, 2014, 12:41:57 PM
It's true, Mlerner I have been very patient and understanding with the whole situation, and please understand this is the final acceptable excuse or life event -- however you want to define the delay. Hope the weather clears up soon, I'm hopeful you'll send when it does :)
Patience, this man has it
It's true! Makes for a good father & husband. 😍
Quote from: Ertai on January 30, 2014, 12:54:13 AM
Hits? To what? His beard?
1/2 is my opinion. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Haha
But he's tough, like {tree of redemption}...
As much as we are amused by the lolrus card (I like that the artist is "pug"), I must request everyone to please stay on topic in trials. Thanks!
It's now been over 100 days since mlerner and lolrus agreed on a trade, lerner recieved his cards after three days and lolrus still waits, he has been very busy with school and work so I am posting on his behalf. If he doesn't recieve his end by the end if this week, he (we) would like to see some form of punishment. He has lied time and time again about this and it is ridiculous to wait this long on trade agreed on in early November.
Quote from: Moneekahh on February 26, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
It's now been over 100 days since mlerner and lolrus agreed on a trade, lerner recieved his cards after three days and lolrus still waits, he has been very busy with school and work so I am posting on his behalf. If he doesn't recieve his end by the end if this week, he (we) would like to see some form of punishment. He has lied time and time again about this and it is ridiculous to wait this long on trade agreed on in early November.
Agreed. That's really terrible. Sorry for you guys :/
Quote from: LadyGrixis on February 26, 2014, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: Moneekahh on February 26, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
It's now been over 100 days since mlerner and lolrus agreed on a trade, lerner recieved his cards after three days and lolrus still waits, he has been very busy with school and work so I am posting on his behalf. If he doesn't recieve his end by the end if this week, he (we) would like to see some form of punishment. He has lied time and time again about this and it is ridiculous to wait this long on trade agreed on in early November.
Agreed. That's really terrible. Sorry for you guys :/
Also Agree
Clearly the ban hammer would be appropriate here.
🎶Lies lies lies lies, lies lies lies lies. 🎶
Just send lolrus his cards back with tracking kid
I don't think anyone should ever trade with him again, there are many other youths on this forum who honor trades and don't hide behind mom and dad. If you can't simply stamp and address and envelope yourself: don't trade here or anywhere else for that matter.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on February 26, 2014, 02:26:34 PM
Clearly the ban hammer would be appropriate here.
🎶Lies lies lies lies, lies lies lies lies. 🎶
Just send lolrus his cards back with tracking kid
I don't think anyone should ever trade with him again, there are many other youths on this forum who honor trades and don't hide behind mom and dad. If you can't simply stamp and address and envelope yourself: don't trade here or anywhere else for that matter.
Speak the truth!!
If he can't even send an envelope from his home with a stamp and address; how can you expect him to go to the postal office and get tracking
He's 12/13 and clearly can't send a letter
Quote from: Muggywuggy on February 26, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
If he can't even send an envelope from his home with a stamp and address; how can you expect him to go to the postal office and get tracking
He's 12/13 and clearly can't send a letter
Jesus I missed a lot.
I think you forget the several dozen envelopes I have sent.
I love a block from my post office, I walk there after school.
I sent Lolrus a shock and a couple of dollars of other cards (like 8$ and 4 cards) and Christ, he's not Recieved them so I'll send him more stuff.
Also: fine. Ban me. Seems Piotr likes doing that.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on February 26, 2014, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on February 26, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
If he can't even send an envelope from his home with a stamp and address; how can you expect him to go to the postal office and get tracking
He's 12/13 and clearly can't send a letter
Jesus I missed a lot.
I think you forget the several dozen envelopes I have sent.
I love a block from my post office, I walk there after school.
I sent Lolrus a shock and a couple of dollars of other cards (like 8$ and 4 cards) and Christ, he's not Recieved them so I'll send him more stuff.
Also: fine. Ban me. Seems Piotr likes doing that.
Stop making .loving. excuses it's way too late for that. Send the damn cards so we can move on.
I understand that you're 13 but if you really dont have a way to send, DONT .loving. TRADE.
This is as blatantly honest as you will ever see from anyone, but it's the truth.
1) why the hell should we believe you?
2) Too far.
People please calm down. It's understandable to be upset but please you don't need to explicitly attack the accused. That is not the point of a trial. It stands as Lolrus is the only one still to not receive anything correct? I believe if within a short while (week/2 week maximum perhaps?) as the accused has again said that they sent out, if within that short while the wronged (Lolrus) still hasn't received anything from the accused. Then the mods should determine a fitting punishment (untrustworthy traders list, ban, etc.,) enforce the accused to ensure the wronged of this trial receive (not sure if it is within their power to do so. but if so explicitly and fully exact those powers.) and close the trial. Ensuring all of us here at iMTG closure and the ability to move on.
Note; this is not to try and be lenient to the accused, however, if he did in fact send anything to the wronged. And we're accusing of not sending while it is in transit, that is just over pushing the same point that has been established.
Quote from: Moneekahh on February 26, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
It's now been over 100 days since mlerner and lolrus agreed on a trade, lerner recieved his cards after three days and lolrus still waits, he has been very busy with school and work so I am posting on his behalf. If he doesn't recieve his end by the end if this week, he (we) would like to see some form of punishment. He has lied time and time again about this and it is ridiculous to wait this long on trade agreed on in early November.
It's been a long time the person who got burnt set a time limit. No need to extend it more then that.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on February 26, 2014, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on February 26, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
If he can't even send an envelope from his home with a stamp and address; how can you expect him to go to the postal office and get tracking
He's 12/13 and clearly can't send a letter
Jesus I missed a lot.
I think you forget the several dozen envelopes I have sent.
I love a block from my post office, I walk there after school.
I sent Lolrus a shock and a couple of dollars of other cards (like 8$ and 4 cards) and Christ, he's not Recieved them so I'll send him more stuff.
Also: fine. Ban me. Seems Piotr likes doing that.
First of all, u can say that u sent but no one believes you, you claimed the same with all the other people, and only sent after MONTHS! Also don't claim that {Piotr} enjoys banning people, that is a baseless accusation, Even if its been the buzz in the air lately, but you have to take responsibility for your own actions, don't try to push it onto another individual just because the current events suit your needs. I believe you should be banned for continually lying and cheating people, but then {imthelolrus} would NEVER get his cards. Ever. So why don't you just man up already or just tell the truth that you don't intend to make things right.
At this point, we should make a paypal account for walrus and each chip in a dollar so he can get the cards himself.
Oh, and ban the 12 year old.
Quote from: Stromack on March 02, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
At this point, we should make a paypal account for walrus and each chip in a dollar so he can get the cards himself.
Oh, and ban the 12 year old.
Money is not a thing I have :( Maybe pool some cards together for him?
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 02, 2014, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: Stromack on March 02, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
At this point, we should make a paypal account for walrus and each chip in a dollar so he can get the cards himself.
Oh, and ban the 12 year old.
Money is not a thing I have :( Maybe pool some cards together for him?
Sounds good to me
Clearly Mlerner has dipped out within the last few weeks from this forum. What a shame. If anyone ever plays with him at a tournament etc, (last name "Lerner) remember to give him a look of apathy.
He was on yesterday.
I would say time is up and who ever he still owes stuff may want to suggest what to do or message Piotr If they want to keep it private.
Didn't he needs his parents permission to get on this app? They should be held accountable for their minors actions.
My shtuff hasn't arrived from him either...
I went into a trade with him for 2 path to exile. Made him send first, but it's going to be annoying if he didn't send :|
I recieved cards last night from Mlerner! 😄
See! He is not a scammer, he just has no sense of time management to epic proportions!
Quote from: Noblellama on March 13, 2014, 10:33:15 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on March 13, 2014, 08:21:48 AM
I recieved cards last night from Mlerner! 😄
You may now untap after 97 days tapped
Good god. How the hell does it take that long to throw an envelope in the mail?
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 13, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 13, 2014, 10:33:15 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on March 13, 2014, 08:21:48 AM
I recieved cards last night from Mlerner! 😄
You may now untap after 97 days tapped
Good god. How the hell does it take that long to throw an envelope in the mail?
THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW!
What were the postmark dates?
Ins anyone else still waiting on cards from him?
Sigh. Thread will remain open till they arrive then.
This can be closed. I have as close to shipping confirmation as possible, as he sent me a picture of a fat envelope with my name on it.
Yes, this trial can be closed now
Close it, but I request that {Mlerner} be added to the untrusted list
It is done. Added to Untrusted Traders, thread/s locked. Find a new pariah now people.