Is {Chains of Mephistopheles} a good card? Why?
I see potential in it, used alongside other cards with reanimator effects for example, but I'm not personally seeing how it could be used on its own effectively.
+ {Megrim} + {Liliana's Caress} ouch.
Opens up your options a little more for milling the opponent. Draw cards are now an option because they must discard or lose cards from their library. So you can mess with their hand now too
Very much so. When you place a small mana cost with that effect, it is a scary card. The formats it is played in use draw power every chance it gets. So to make someone choose between losing a potential bomb in their hand, or losing the mystery card you were about to draw is pretty big. Very good, is it worth 210, no. However I don't think any piece of cardboard should be worth that much. :(
My friend runs a {Seizan, Perverter of Truth} EDH deck. Lets just say Chains is a lot better than people think lol
Quote from: Taysby on November 28, 2013, 12:40:38 AM
I agree cardboard shouldn't be worth that much. It's cardstock that's worth a lot,
Potato, patato. Either way, it is expensive paper. The only expensive paper allowed is paper money.
even gold doesn't really have value unless we all agree on it. money is just a concept.
Do you think wording and/or confusion created by wording on a card diminishes the quality of a card? Like if you had to spend longer explaining the card than the combo or play takes to execute?
Quote from: Spikepit on November 28, 2013, 12:52:17 AM
Do you think wording and/or confusion created by wording on a card diminishes the quality of a card? Like if you had to spend longer explaining the card than the combo or play takes to execute?
Or in this case pronouncing the name of the card. I think in vintage and legacy (where I assume this card sees the most play) the wording wouldn't be confusing to people since they're generally more seasoned players.
No.
I don't like giving my opponent options. Though it has some good mill potential it seems like it could let them dig for exactly what they need.
I think you've hit on something Spike. Fussy wording bugs me. I'm sure that explains part of my initial reaction.
Same here! I hated that card when it came out! But I'm older I realised I just hated it because I didn't get it and it's actually quite a good card!
Because the reserve list is a ruthless fraud perpetuated by a greedy corporation. {Chains of Mephistopheles} sells for $2.70 on MAGIC ONLINE. That's probably about all it's worth IMO.
Could anyone look at me with a straight face and say that effect is worth $200+? Same with {Moat} ($343.70) and anything else on the reserve list that sells for big bucks. I bought a {Forcefield} on MTGO for .56¢. When these reserve list cards can be freely printed, you see the actual demand as opposed to the strict supply.
Right on! {Moat} is definitely a joke!
Quote from: Dudecore on November 28, 2013, 08:40:25 AM
Because the reserve list is a ruthless fraud perpetuated by a greedy corporation. {Chains of Mephistopheles} sells for $2.70 on MAGIC ONLINE. That's probably about all it's worth IMO.
Could anyone look at me with a straight face and say that effect is worth $200+? Same with {Moat} ($343.70) and anything else on the reserve list that sells for big bucks. I bought a {Forcefield} on MTGO for .56¢. When these reserve list cards can be freely printed, you see the actual demand as opposed to the strict supply.
I agree completely.
Couldn't the same be said about money?
Maybe the cards aren't made as much. They may have only printed a few batches then moved on. Those cards are worth a lot of money to collectors. You can't truly collect mtg on mtgo like you can with the physical cards. I thinks that's the main reason these cards that don't seem like they're worth so much are, in fact, worth so much.
Quote from: Ertai on November 28, 2013, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 28, 2013, 08:40:25 AM
Because the reserve list is a ruthless fraud perpetuated by a greedy corporation. {Chains of Mephistopheles} sells for $2.70 on MAGIC ONLINE. That's probably about all it's worth IMO.
Could anyone look at me with a straight face and say that effect is worth $200+? Same with {Moat} ($343.70) and anything else on the reserve list that sells for big bucks. I bought a {Forcefield} on MTGO for .56¢. When these reserve list cards can be freely printed, you see the actual demand as opposed to the strict supply.
I agree completely.
Couldn't the same be said about money?
Maybe the cards aren't made as much. They may have only printed a few batches then moved on. Those cards are worth a lot of money to collectors. You can't truly collect mtg on mtgo like you can with the physical cards. I thinks that's the main reason these cards that don't seem like they're worth so much are, in fact, worth so much.
Well it is a game afterall. You'd like to have the cards to play with at very least. They only made a few thousand of these cards before they restricted everything; but that is just supply dwindling, not exactly demand. The cards are in demand, but the supply is kept low because of an agreement Wizards made. There is nothing super cool about {Underground Sea} that they could not/should not reprint, except the supply is kept artificially low. I'd think a freely printed {Underground Sea} would be worth around $20-$30.
Money has value if it is scarce also, it's worthless if they keep printing it. It doesn't make sense to say "all the money in circulation is the only money the will ever exist". Modern Masters taught us a lot about how to infuse more cards but not disturb value. People pre-MM could show up to an LGS with $100 and not walk away with {Tarmogoyf} because they had none. Supply did not meet demand.