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Title: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 09:16:21 AM
Has anyone ever used  {Vampire Hexmage} +  {Dark Depths}. If so how did it work out for you? Thinking of building around it.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: rarehuntertay on November 18, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
For casual or legacy?
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 09:23:44 AM
Legacy, possibly EDH with some tutors to pull it off.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on November 18, 2013, 09:22:55 AM
Never have run it myself so I cannot say but if your flirting with that land, many people like using {thespian stage} with it for the quick turn and sac

Wouldn't the legendary rule hit and remove it before you could sac it if you copied it?
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 09:35:44 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on November 18, 2013, 09:22:55 AM
Never have run it myself so I cannot say but if your flirting with that land, many people like using {thespian stage} with it for the quick turn and sac

Never mind, keep forgetting the new legendary rule where you can keep one and sac the other instead of them both going to the grave yard.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Deathseide on November 18, 2013, 10:07:13 AM
Of course you could run the {dark depths} in an old school combo elf speed deck, having 2-3 {parallel lives} in play and an  {Altar Of Dementia} out...
That is if it can be worked like that..
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: MementoMori on November 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: Deathseide on November 18, 2013, 10:07:13 AMhaving 2-3 {parallel lives}
The token is legendary.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: AkiraDeLaine on November 18, 2013, 04:39:14 PM
Hmm, can I put the token on stack the sac it to the altar instead of the legendary rule?
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Vileo on November 18, 2013, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: AkiraDeLaine on November 18, 2013, 04:39:14 PM
Hmm, can I put the token on stack the sac it to the altar instead of the legendary rule?
They are sacrificed as a state-based action, if I recall correctly. If you put the Parallel Lives triggers on the stack, then respond to each individual token entering the battlefield by sacrificing it, it will work.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Yawgmoth85 on November 18, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
As a backup I would use a {hex parasite}. I run this combo in 2EDH decks and works wonderfully
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Vileo on November 18, 2013, 07:03:14 PM
I have a friend that uses the Thespian stage combo in his Progenitus Lands deck in EDH.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on November 18, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
As a backup I would use a {hex parasite}. I run this combo in 2EDH decks and works wonderfully

Thanks! Been flitering searches all day looking for similar sexmage cards.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Deebiia on November 18, 2013, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on November 18, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
As a backup I would use a {hex parasite}. I run this combo in 2EDH decks and works wonderfully

Thanks! Been flitering searches all day looking for similar sexmage cards.
Sexmage.... Someone needs to make this a card...
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on November 18, 2013, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on November 18, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
As a backup I would use a {hex parasite}. I run this combo in 2EDH decks and works wonderfully

Thanks! Been flitering searches all day looking for similar sexmage cards.
Sexmage.... Someone needs to make this a card...

They already did! Hahah. {Vampire Hexmage} has been called that since she debuted.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Pleeb on November 18, 2013, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Vileo on November 18, 2013, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: AkiraDeLaine on November 18, 2013, 04:39:14 PM
Hmm, can I put the token on stack the sac it to the altar instead of the legendary rule?
They are sacrificed as a state-based action, if I recall correctly. If you put the Parallel Lives triggers on the stack, then respond to each individual token entering the battlefield by sacrificing it, it will work.

You can't sac a creature on the BF, and the legendary rule is a state based action. Sacing a creature requires the stack, so a player must have priority to sac. Therefor, you can't sac a creature before the legendary rule triggers.

One note on my comment: I'm aware that Sacing is either a cost or a consequence of a spell or ability that gets put on the stack, but I stand by my timing limitations.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: griffin131 on November 18, 2013, 07:46:45 PM
Never mind. {Parallel Lives} is a replacement effect and can't be responded to.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Vileo on November 18, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
Quote from: Pleeb on November 18, 2013, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Vileo on November 18, 2013, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: AkiraDeLaine on November 18, 2013, 04:39:14 PM
Hmm, can I put the token on stack the sac it to the altar instead of the legendary rule?
They are sacrificed as a state-based action, if I recall correctly. If you put the Parallel Lives triggers on the stack, then respond to each individual token entering the battlefield by sacrificing it, it will work.

You can't sac a creature on the BF, and the legendary rule is a state based action. Sacing a creature requires the stack, so a player must have priority to sac. Therefor, you can't sac a creature before the legendary rule triggers.

One note on my comment: I'm aware that Sacing is either a cost or a consequence of a spell or ability that gets put on the stack, but I stand by my timing limitations.
That's exactly what I meant...
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: griffin131 on November 18, 2013, 08:34:09 PM
You said it could work. Since all the tokens enter the battlefield at the same time you can't respond to just one of them, and then the state based sac occurs.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Butch1977 on November 18, 2013, 08:48:24 PM
So I can look at  {Vampire Hexmage},  {Thespian's Stage},  {Hex Parasite} and I also found  {Ferropede} (although a little slower) i think I wanna do a Junk EDH with land searches. Found quite a few cards that allow land searching and not just basic land search. Inputs always welcome.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Deathseide on November 19, 2013, 02:30:00 AM
So replace the  {Altar Of Dementia} with a  {Warstorm Surge} and the {parallel lives} bit would work a treat... Have a {grave pact} in play for more fun
Or just toss a {mirror gallery} down and ignore the legends rule...
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Anoobass on November 19, 2013, 03:49:18 AM
Mirror gallery only works on the old legend rule :P lol, if the legend rule changes it can't work for the new one :P
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Mattao19 on November 19, 2013, 03:59:11 AM
Really? How so? It's still called the "legend rule" {U}{R} not?
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Anoobass on November 19, 2013, 04:13:06 AM
Was just a joke.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Mattao19 on November 19, 2013, 05:03:45 AM
Oh lol my bad
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Anoobass on November 19, 2013, 05:07:23 AM
Np, there was no way you would be able to tell.  But if my friend ever uses mirror gallery that's what in saying.
Title: Re: Hexmage plus Dark Depths
Post by: Stromack on November 21, 2013, 05:34:01 AM
Nothing is worse with this combo than {grim discovery}
Also, dredge mechanics work nice if you've got a discovery in your hand