Do the copies of {giant adephage} count towards {nylea, god of the hunt}'s devotion?
I'm afraid not. Tokens do not have mana costs, and will not help out when trying to gain devotion.
Quote from: Keyeto on November 15, 2013, 08:39:17 AM
I'm afraid not. Tokens do not have mana costs, and will not help out when trying to gain devotion.
Really? I always thought token cards that were copies had mana costs. My friend runs token devotion :)
Hue hue hue...
613.1. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=613.1.): The values of an object's characteristics are determined by starting with the actual object. For a card, that means the values of the characteristics printed on that card. For a token or a copy of a spell or card, that means the values of the characteristics defined by the effect that created it. Then all applicable continuous effects are applied in a series of layers in the following order
Not sure about this, dies that mean subsequent it's a copy of something with a cost it has a cost or no?
Tokens have no cmc or rather, have a cmc of 0. Yay {ratchet bomb}
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on November 15, 2013, 10:04:11 AM
Tokens have no cmc or rather, have a cmc of 0. Yay {ratchet bomb}
* fist pimp*
Yesss!
Token copies of creature cards do have mana costs. The rule was already quoted here.
This is why people run {Pack Rat} in mono-black devotion. Each copy of Pack Rat adds one to your devotion to black.
Edit: Actually, the rule Mlerner posted wasn't quite the right one. This is it:
Quote706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics [...] The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down.
Note that "mana cost" is listed as a copiable value.
^ This.
But then, if the tokens copy the cmc... does ratchet bomb still blow them up?
No. Most tokens have a CMC of 0, like ones made by {Hive Stirrings} or {Assemble the Legion} or {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}. However some tokens actually do have a CMC, so they can survive a ratchet bomb crack for 0.
Aww :(
These are token copies, we recently clarified that token copies do have the mana cost of the origional.
This is from {Cackling Counterpart}
9/22/2011 The token copies exactly what was printed on the original creature and nothing else (unless that creature is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn't copy whether that creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it or Auras and Equipment attached to it, or any non-copy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on.
I stand corrected. Tokens that are copies have the same cmc of the permanent they are copying. So, yes, giant adephages token copy of itself DOES count towards devotion.
Quote from: Taysby on November 15, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
Which is ridiculous with {nykthos, shrine to nyx}. Lots and lots of devotion.
But if you already have Adephage, what more mana do you need? Lol
Quote from: Vileo on November 16, 2013, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Taysby on November 15, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
Which is ridiculous with {nykthos, shrine to nyx}. Lots and lots of devotion.
But if you already have Adephage, what more mana do you need? Lol
Because Green isn't happy until you're hard-casting {Worldspine Wurm}, casting {Colossus of Akros}, AND making it monstrous all on the same turn.
Quote from: Gorzo on November 16, 2013, 05:13:50 AM
Quote from: Vileo on November 16, 2013, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Taysby on November 15, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
Which is ridiculous with {nykthos, shrine to nyx}. Lots and lots of devotion.
But if you already have Adephage, what more mana do you need? Lol
Because Green isn't happy until you're hard-casting {Worldspine Wurm}, casting {Colossus of Akros}, AND making it monstrous all on the same turn.
As a green player I approve this message
Quote from: Giggleflat on November 16, 2013, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on November 16, 2013, 05:13:50 AM
Quote from: Vileo on November 16, 2013, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Taysby on November 15, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
Which is ridiculous with {nykthos, shrine to nyx}. Lots and lots of devotion.
But if you already have Adephage, what more mana do you need? Lol
Because Green isn't happy until you're hard-casting {Worldspine Wurm}, casting {Colossus of Akros}, AND making it monstrous all on the same turn.
As a green player I approve this message
I second this.
Wow so there are such arguments to this token cost
I don't play green anymore but I do play mono-red devotion which doesn't exactly have tokens but i have some from (akroan crusader)... And it's weird that I did not realise if tokens do have a mana cost?
Not all tokens. Just tokens that are copies of a permanent.