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Title: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 04:57:24 PM

Esper

75 cards, 15 sideboard


3 {Temple of Deceit}
2 {Swamp}
4 {Hallowed Fountain}
4 {Watery Grave}
4 {Godless Shrine}
3 {Temple of Silence}
2 {Plains}
4 {Island}

26 lands


1 {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}
1 {Ætherling}

2 creatures


3 {Azorius Charm}
3 {Sphinx's Revelation}
3 {Devour Flesh}
3 {Detention Sphere}
3 {Render Silent}
4 {Supreme Verdict}
3 {Hero's Downfall}
3 {Jace, Architect of Thought}
2 {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}
3 {Far // Away}
2 {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver}

32 other spells


Sideboard

1 {Sphinx's Revelation}
2 {Opportunity}
4 {Cyclonic Rift}
1 {Ætherling}
2 {Pithing Needle}
1 {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}
4 {Thoughtseize}

15 sideboard cards



Notes:

Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Planning on running this tomorrow at FNM tomorrow, any thoughts, in play testing it's ran amazing. Topping MonoBlue devotion and plenty of different Aggro and control decks.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Planning on running this tomorrow at FNM tomorrow, any thoughts, in play testing it's ran amazing. Topping MonoBlue devotion and plenty of different Aggro and control decks.
This deck has been topping very consistently lately so yeah take it, have fun, and piss people off
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Planning on running this tomorrow at FNM tomorrow, any thoughts, in play testing it's ran amazing. Topping MonoBlue devotion and plenty of different Aggro and control decks.
This deck has been topping very consistently lately so yeah take it, have fun, and piss people off

My only problem is I can't shuffle to consistently get mana. I suck at shuffling.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Planning on running this tomorrow at FNM tomorrow, any thoughts, in play testing it's ran amazing. Topping MonoBlue devotion and plenty of different Aggro and control decks.
This deck has been topping very consistently lately so yeah take it, have fun, and piss people off

My only problem is I can't shuffle to consistently get mana. I suck at shuffling.
Lol don't know what to tell you on that one.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 05:51:51 PM
Quote from: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Planning on running this tomorrow at FNM tomorrow, any thoughts, in play testing it's ran amazing. Topping MonoBlue devotion and plenty of different Aggro and control decks.
This deck has been topping very consistently lately so yeah take it, have fun, and piss people off

My only problem is I can't shuffle to consistently get mana. I suck at shuffling.
Lol don't know what to tell you on that one.

Stop sucking at the game so badly?
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: Mlerner12 on November 14, 2013, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 05:51:51 PM
Quote from: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: Joshnoodles on November 14, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Planning on running this tomorrow at FNM tomorrow, any thoughts, in play testing it's ran amazing. Topping MonoBlue devotion and plenty of different Aggro and control decks.
This deck has been topping very consistently lately so yeah take it, have fun, and piss people off

My only problem is I can't shuffle to consistently get mana. I suck at shuffling.
Lol don't know what to tell you on that one.

Stop sucking at the game so badly?
Yeeowch! A little over the line, man! Lol :P

Do you have thick sleeves?


Also, I'd say add in 3 Jace, AoT
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: Mikefrompluto on November 14, 2013, 07:24:22 PM
👆You realize he told himself to stop sucking at the game, yeah?
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: Mlerner12 on November 14, 2013, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on November 14, 2013, 07:24:22 PM
👆You realize he told himself to stop sucking at the game, yeah?
He did?
Oh... I'm stupid :P
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 14, 2013, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on November 14, 2013, 07:24:22 PM
👆You realize he told himself to stop sucking at the game, yeah?
He did?
Oh... I'm stupid :P

Lol.

I'm not a big AOT fan. With all the spot removal I run the  only problem is the first two turns after that I usually start to even out.

I had crappy old sleeves on them. I just got some dragon shields today and it seems to be running smoother now and shuffling better
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: Mlerner12 on November 14, 2013, 07:41:30 PM
Also, some {Dissolve} could be good.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 14, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 14, 2013, 07:41:30 PM
Also, some {Dissolve} could be good.

I liked {dissolve} but it seemed to be in the way of other counters. I would draw them almost always turns 2 and 3 when I really wanted {syncopate} and {render silent}
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: Mlerner12 on November 16, 2013, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: Potticus on November 15, 2013, 10:47:14 PM
Uhm this list made me flinch as an esper player. there's a lot id change on it. Less basics, more verdict more sphere. No ashiok. Four syncopates is disgusting to me. I run 0, id never run more than two though. I also play 3 dissolve and 0 render silence. Less mana screwy and scry. I also run 4 jace. He's super good in every matchup. Demands attention, and draws cards.
Did you just say... No Ashiok?

Lol, sorry :P but yeah, I like Ashiok as a 2-of, and Render Silent as a 4- of SB against decks that cast a lot if stuff.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: GOME316 on November 16, 2013, 01:48:39 AM
7 6 CMC cards with only 24 lands. No Jace AOT. Not a huge fan.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: GOME316 on November 16, 2013, 01:53:50 PM
Ashiok is a great card in the deck. It's a pseudo Nephalia Drownyard, that eleviates mana for bigger Sphinx's Revs late game. 5 loyalty off the bat is hard to beat for aggro decks, depleting them of cards to take care of it. Able to steal chump blockers from the aggro opponent. Works really well into the curve. Being able to resolve this turn 3 against aggro opp then follow up turn 4 Supreme is pretty back breaking from there for aggro opp.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: ApexPredator on November 16, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
I don't see Ashiok in any of the espers decks at my lgs they consistently beat aggro and top 8. I agree with potticus 26-27 lands is ideal and AoT x4 is absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 16, 2013, 08:02:12 PM
I am not a fan of AoT, not sure why, but I did go 4-0 at a standard event with this exact list. So it's not doing bad, and Ashiok made the win 2 of those times. I fixed the mana problem by mana sifting/pile shuffling each game, was consistantly drawing what was needed for the match at hand.

I like {syncopate} for early game which is the only time it's advantageous IMO. As for {render silent} it made waves against a mono blue devotion deck locking out {master of waves}
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: ApexPredator on November 16, 2013, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 16, 2013, 08:02:12 PM
I am not a fan of AoT, not sure why, but I did go 4-0 at a standard event with this exact list. So it's not doing bad, and Ashiok made the win 2 of those times. I fixed the mana problem by mana sifting/pile shuffling each game, was consistantly drawing what was needed for the match at hand.

I like {syncopate} for early game which is the only time it's advantageous IMO. As for {render silent} it made waves against a mono blue devotion deck locking out {master of waves}
This is probably more of a meta thing. I at my lgs this list would get destroyed by other esper lists. But if it's working at your store no reason to change it.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 16, 2013, 08:45:01 PM
My LGS is mostly aggro, I've not played a mirror yet, played two RWU control decks that I had a hard time first game against and sided in azurios charms and sin collectors to keep them on their toes
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: ApexPredator on November 16, 2013, 08:47:02 PM
That's a nice environment for control. We have control and aggro. That's pretty much it.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 16, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Potticus on November 16, 2013, 09:20:01 PM
Ashiok isn't a pseudo drownyard. Drownyard was a card because it was a land the only way to hurt it was a pithing needle. Since most lists run 6 ways minimum to kill plainswalker she doesn't do a ton but mill slightly. As for Aggro. Id rather just use removal on their creatures.

I would rather have a way to get creatures on my side for blocking. If that mana negging Ashiok to steal a creature, which I have many times than so be it. With running 5 and 6 drop creatures it makes it tough early game to begat damage at all times.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on November 23, 2013, 01:17:55 AM
Updated to current build, went 6-2 at FNM yesterday (3 hours ago)

Only loss came to a blue white control, I think I need  {Thoughtseize}  {Pithing Needle} and an  {Elixir of Immortality} in my side board against control mirrors.

The rest I shut down and actually ulted  {Elspeth, Sun's Champion} twice.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: MacheteMable on November 24, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: Potticus on November 24, 2013, 04:40:51 AM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 23, 2013, 01:17:55 AM
Updated to current build, went 6-2 at FNM yesterday (3 hours ago)

Only loss came to a blue white control, I think I need  {Thoughtseize}  {Pithing Needle} and an  {Elixir of Immortality} in my side board against control mirrors.

The rest I shut down and actually ulted  {Elspeth, Sun's Champion} twice.

Uhm, I would say no elixir. I've already given my opinions on where I'd take this deck. Jace memory adept in the board is awful, I'm also not sure why azorius charm is in the side? That's easily the most reliable card in the deck and has so many functions.

Azorious charm a lot of times is the most lackluster card in the deck. It just doesn't so enough. I usually board mine out most matchups for more spot removal. That's what I did for most of my matcha and made day 2 of Grand Prix Albuquerque.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: wvEricP on December 12, 2013, 12:28:01 AM
New list, went 3-1 tonight with this current set up. Lost to a pack rat deck who kept me on the ropes and swung for lethal both games by t5

Got lucky against a grixis control deck who miss played all 4  {Slaughter Games} not picking off either of my  {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}'s then yanked back to back  bbv's for the win.
Title: Re: Esper
Post by: DylanW18 on December 12, 2013, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: Potticus on November 24, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: MacheteMable on November 24, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: Potticus on November 24, 2013, 04:40:51 AM
Quote from: wvEricP on November 23, 2013, 01:17:55 AM
Updated to current build, went 6-2 at FNM yesterday (3 hours ago)

Only loss came to a blue white control, I think I need  {Thoughtseize}  {Pithing Needle} and an  {Elixir of Immortality} in my side board against control mirrors.

The rest I shut down and actually ulted  {Elspeth, Sun's Champion} twice.

Uhm, I would say no elixir. I've already given my opinions on where I'd take this deck. Jace memory adept in the board is awful, I'm also not sure why azorius charm is in the side? That's easily the most reliable card in the deck and has so many functions.

Azorious charm a lot of times is the most lackluster card in the deck. It just doesn't so enough. I usually board mine out most matchups for more spot removal. That's what I did for most of my matcha and made day 2 of Grand Prix Albuquerque.

Eh, I top 32'd SCG Dallas. If I hadn't had 2 draws from durdle control players it would have been top 8 :/ 7-1-2 is the worst way to go down. Azorius charm can time walk opponents, draw you cards, and be lifelink on aetherlings. It's always been an allstar for me.



I disagree with the comment of Memory Adept. While I understand that he's not in pro SB at the moment, I think it's exactly why people SHOULD run him. People aren't expecting him anymore. He did soooo much work in the control mirror matches. Plus, control only runs a few win cons in the current shell, and milling them? Gg.

I think he is solid. Sure, he could get d sphered. But what can't?

I give him a 4.5/5 in control mirror matches :) just my humble opinion