So I was milling through my cards and wondered what kind of deck I wanted to build next. I thought about doing a sweet T1 (Vintage) deck, but didn't know who still played that because some of the rules are broken as heck! So I decided to do a T 1.5 (Legacy), and figured that would be best. I then decided that I hadn't made a dredge deck yet, so I decided to throw one together quick. Once I was satisfied with my card selection I play tested with my manager, and he played his dredge deck. I was blown away; not because his was much better than mine, but because our decks were identical... we hadn't copied each other or anything, but completely randomness.
So my question is this; Is there really any way to recreate a dredge deck, with completely different cards then someone else? I know that the majority of cards used in dredge are pretty standard, and there are the fatties that can be different depending on your meta, but I don't see how it can be much different than what you see online...
Am I a netdecker? lmao
If you're watching videos for concepts of play instead of just play testing your deck constantly and adjusting from experience: you might be a net decker
Quote from: Muggywuggy on November 12, 2013, 05:14:26 PM
If you're watching videos for concepts of play instead of just play testing your deck constantly and adjusting from experience: you might be a net decker
Well I'm not doing that, I just thought because out of the blue my deck is almost identical to my Manager's (Also level 2 DCI certified Area judge). Needless to say he is expert...
I didn't know if this was common, because dredge doesn't have a lot of cards to really choose from, if you want a good deck... or did I do something wrong? haha
If you only have so many cards to choose from you're most likely to end up with similar ideas
That's not the problem... I can get pretty much any card.. (my store).
I have looked on Gatherer, and that's all I could come up with...
Quote from: Ertai on November 12, 2013, 05:38:00 PM
That's not the problem... I can get pretty much any card.. (my store).
I have looked on Gatherer, and that's all I could come up with...
That's what he means, if the pool of cards that are good in a dredge deck isn't that large, chances are good you'll have very similar decks as someone else if you're both experienced players/good deckbuilders.
Quote from: Lyriczulu on November 12, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Ertai on November 12, 2013, 05:38:00 PM
That's not the problem... I can get pretty much any card.. (my store).
I have looked on Gatherer, and that's all I could come up with...
That's what he means, if the pool of cards that are good in a dredge deck isn't that large, chances are good you'll have very similar decks as someone else if you're both experienced players/good deckbuilders.
Oh I see. Of course. He's much better than I am, so I'm sure he would play it better than I would.
I just have to play test like crazy.
I was just hoping to hear someone has a dredge that isn't the norm, but works.
Are you playing manaless dredge?
No. I have city of brass
Quote from: Ertai on November 12, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
No. I have city of brass
Manaless dredge is pretty good, too, if you're interested in checking out other dredge subtypes.
What could I mainboard then?
I have some draw/discard cards that I use.
I have lions diamond, but that can only work for so much. I mainly use it for flash backing.
Quote from: Ertai on November 12, 2013, 07:06:34 PM
What could I mainboard then?
I have some draw/discard cards that I use.
I have lions diamond, but that can only work for so much. I mainly use it for flash backing.
LED works amazingly with {Infernal Tutor}, but that's for combo decks. Basically your main deck is like {Bridge from Below}, {Flayer of the Hatebound}, etc and some guys that can recur themselves. I forget the exact list, but you can always tweak the netdeck to make it more original.
I first used flayer, and it works extremely well, but I like to throw in Iona as well to stump my opponent.
I <3 dredge. I had an LED-less legacy dredge deck that I had to part out to pay for a ticket :(
I may rebuild it one day and add the LED's.
Iona works REALLY well in a Reanimator list. T1 Swamp, {Dark Ritual}, {Entomb}, {Reanimate}
Although {Griselbrand} is normally in that slot, Iona works really well too.
Pardon me being a noob but how does a dredge deck work?
The dredge mechanic says "if you would draw a card, you may instead dredge x and return this card from your graveyard to your hand" it's basically milling yourself.
Quote from: Vindog on November 12, 2013, 07:47:46 PM
Pardon me being a noob but how does a dredge deck work?
The short of it: get {bridge from below}s into your GY by milling your deck via the dredge mechanic and cheap draw spells ({faithless looting}, {careful study}, {breakthrough},) saccing {narcomeoba}s via {dread return} to bring out {Flame-Kin Zealot} giving all your 2/2 zombies +1/+1 and haste, then attacking with your tokens and any {ichorid}s you bring out.
I, personally, do not use the flame kin as I do not attack. If you attack you risk losing you token maker. I reanimate big guys with {Dread Return} saving mecrommeobas and or this 3/1 guys that die at eot. Putting tokens out. And doing damage for every token straight to opponent based on the token/creature's power.
I also use {Cabal Therepy} to discard dredged creatures in my hand and flashback to create tokens as needed.
Is it mana less dredge?
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on November 12, 2013, 09:58:34 PM
Is it mana less dredge?
As I said on the first page, I use {City of Brass}
There's dredge vine, or is that modern.
{Dread Return} a {Balustrade Spy} to dump your entire library into your gy is pretty powerful and a good reason for running landless.
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 13, 2013, 12:07:13 PM
{Dread Return} a {Balustrade Spy} to dump your entire library into your gy is pretty powerful and a good reason for running landless.
But how would you play him?
Flash back dread return with narcomoebas or zombie tokens.
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 13, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
Flash back dread return with narcomoebas or zombie tokens.
That could be fun in casual. Later on in the game.
If I'm playing competitive, it wouldn't work. I can't spend the zombies or narcos on that.
Falcon is basically trying to turn your deck into "Oops, all spells" with his suggestions. Lol
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 13, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
Flash back dread return with narcomoebas or zombie tokens.
That could be fun in casual. Later on in the game.
If I'm playing competitive, it wouldn't work. I can't spend the zombies or narcos on that.
Dude, {narcomeoba} is perfect for saccing with {dread return}. {Bridge from below} automatically replaces them with tokens. Plus, more in your GY -> more {dread return}s -> more fatties to bring out.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on November 13, 2013, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 13, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
Flash back dread return with narcomoebas or zombie tokens.
That could be fun in casual. Later on in the game.
If I'm playing competitive, it wouldn't work. I can't spend the zombies or narcos on that.
Dude, {narcomeoba} is perfect for saccing with {dread return}. {Bridge from below} automatically replaces them with tokens. Plus, more in your GY -> more {dread return}s -> more fatties to bring out.
Oh yes, I know. I was just saying that there are better fatties to pull out in competitive play than that guy. Granted in casual it would be load of fun, Iona or some other fattie would be a better choice.
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on November 13, 2013, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 13, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
Flash back dread return with narcomoebas or zombie tokens.
That could be fun in casual. Later on in the game.
If I'm playing competitive, it wouldn't work. I can't spend the zombies or narcos on that.
Dude, {narcomeoba} is perfect for saccing with {dread return}. {Bridge from below} automatically replaces them with tokens. Plus, more in your GY -> more {dread return}s -> more fatties to bring out.
Oh yes, I know. I was just saying that there are better fatties to pull out in competitive play than that guy. Granted in casual it would be load of fun, Iona or some other fattie would be a better choice.
Yeah but then you're just playing reanimator, not a true dredge deck!!
Well I would only reanimate one guy usually. Depending on the deck my opponent plays, and wouldn't attack. Just the guy that deals damage whenever a creature enters the battlefield on my side.
That's really the best way to win with dredge, otherwise you run the risk of losing your Bridges.
Another thing is trying to kill {Umezawa's Jitte} ASAP, or you lose pretty much.
I had to scoop when my manager played that and dropped a counter to kill his creature. I lost all my bridges.
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
That's really the best way to win with dredge, otherwise you run the risk of losing your Bridges.
False. You win with dredge by getting as many {bridge from below}s as you can into the graveyard, saccing {narcomeoba}s, {putrid imp}s, and {ichorid}s via {dread return} (making more tokens,) bringing back {flame-kin zealot} and giving all your tokens haste and +1/+1 and attacking with your massive token hoard. Any other way just doesn't work. As stated before. The dredge mechanic is limited to only a handful of cards.
If you're hellbent on bringing out fatties from the GY, then stop pussyfooting around and just full on reanimator.
I find flame kin isn't as fast as I would like it to be. I only reanimate one creature depending on the decks im playing. That's why I don't call it reanimator.
Like I said I haven't memorized the names of everything yet, but the guy with undying that does damage to creature or player based on their power to creature or player.
I find him to be far quicker and easier to use with the zombie tokens.
Here's a question.
Do you think {Wild Guess} would work? I could use LeD to play it. Although I probably only use LeD once, I figured it could be fun. How worth it would it be though?
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 08:36:54 PM
I find flame kin isn't as fast as I would like it to be. I only reanimate one creature depending on the decks im playing. That's why I don't call it reanimator.
Like I said I haven't memorized the names of everything yet, but the guy with undying that does damage to creature or player based on their power to creature or player.
I find him to be far quicker and easier to use with the zombie tokens.
Why not just go Mono Black Reanimator and play {Griselbrand}, then? He's good against literally everything. Lifelink. Flying. Draw cards. 7/7.
If I wanted a reanimator deck I would make a reanimator deck. Haha.
I made a dredge deck to play dredge. :D
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
Here's a question.
Do you think {Wild Guess} would work? I could use LeD to play it. Although I probably only use LeD once, I figured it could be fun. How worth it would it be though?
Don't think its worth it. There's that one black creature that lets you discard 3 cards to return it to your hand... Can't remember the name.
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 14, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
Quote from: Ertai on November 13, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
Here's a question.
Do you think {Wild Guess} would work? I could use LeD to play it. Although I probably only use LeD once, I figured it could be fun. How worth it would it be though?
Don't think its worth it. There's that one black creature that lets you discard 3 cards to return it to your hand... Can't remember the name.
{Phantasmagorian}. Personally I could see {wild guess} being useful. You could discard two dredgers and then turn around and dredge off of them. Of course better than even that is {breakthrough}. Off of a single {U}, you can dump your entire hand and dredge up to four cards, which is half your library.