I played a commander game yesterday and so etching happened I was up sure about. I played "Dominus of Fealty" and I took my friends "Domri Rade" I did his -7 and got his emblem now later I had "Gisela, Blade of Goldnight" on the filed with "Furnace if Rath" "Repercussion" "Gratuitous Violence" & "path of Bravery". I attack with "Gisela, Blade of Goldnight" and my friend blocks with a "Stormbreath Dragon" ( this is wear it might get confusing ) my life is over 20 so my p/t is 6 which doubles to 12 now when it's blocked it goes to 24 with "Gratuitrous Violrnce" which then doubles to 48 With "Furnace of Rath". Now with "Repetcussion" I did damage to his blocker so he takes 48 which is then doubled to 96. Now the trample I have 12 p/t and the blocker has a p/t of 8 so 4 goes over which doubles to 8 which then goes 16 then 32 with enchantments so all together do I do 128 and get 128 life or did we all mess up some of the cards meanings??????
I am sorry I have messed up the card tag thing I thought I knew witch squiggle thing was I am to use I was wrong sorry
Quote from: CyberStrider on November 08, 2013, 06:21:52 PM
I played a commander game yesterday and so etching happened I was up sure about. I played {Dominus of Fealty} and I took my friends {Domri Rade} I did his -7 and got his emblem now later I had {Gisela, Blade of Goldnight} on the filed with {Furnace if Rath} {Repercussion} {Gratuitous Violence} & {path of Bravery}. I attack with {Gisela, Blade of Goldnight} and my friend blocks with a {Stormbreath Dragon} ( this is wear it might get confusing ) my life is over 20 so my p/t is 6 which doubles to 12 now when it's blocked it goes to 24 with {Gratuitrous Violrnce} which then doubles to 48 With {Furnace of Rath}. Now with {Repetcussio}" I did damage to his blocker so he takes 48 which is then doubled to 96. Now the trample I have 12 p/t and the blocker has a p/t of 8 so 4 goes over which doubles to 8 which then goes 16 then 32 with enchantments so all together do I do 128 and get 128 life or did we all mess up some of the cards meanings??????
Quote from: CyberStrider on November 08, 2013, 06:21:52 PM
I played a commander game yesterday and so etching happened I was up sure about. I played "{Dominus of Fealty}" and I took my friends "{Domri Rade}" I did his -7 and got his emblem now later I had "{Gisela, Blade of Goldnight}" on the filed with "{Furnace if Rath}" "{Repercussion}" "{Gratuitous Violence}" & "{path of Bravery}". I attack with "{Gisela, Blade of Goldnight}" and my friend blocks with a "{Stormbreath Dragon}" ( this is wear it might get confusing ) my life is over 20 so my p/t is 6 which doubles to 12 now when it's blocked it goes to 24 with "{Gratuitrous Violrnce}" which then doubles to 48 With "{Furnace of Rath}". Now with "{Repetcussion}" I did damage to his blocker so he takes 48 which is then doubled to 96. Now the trample I have 12 p/t and the blocker has a p/t of 8 so 4 goes over which doubles to 8 which then goes 16 then 32 with enchantments so all together do I do 128 and get 128 life or did we all mess up some of the cards meanings??????
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Quote from: Anoobass on November 08, 2013, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: CyberStrider on November 08, 2013, 06:21:52 PM
I played a commander game yesterday and so etching happened I was up sure about. I played "{Dominus of Fealty}" and I took my friends "{Domri Rade}" I did his -7 and got his emblem now later I had "{Gisela, Blade of Goldnight}" on the filed with "{Furnace if Rath}" "{Repercussion}" "{Gratuitous Violence}" & "{path of Bravery}". I attack with "{Gisela, Blade of Goldnight}" and my friend blocks with a "{Stormbreath Dragon}" ( this is wear it might get confusing ) my life is over 20 so my p/t is 6 which doubles to 12 now when it's blocked it goes to 24 with "{Gratuitrous Violrnce}" which then doubles to 48 With "{Furnace of Rath}". Now with "{Repetcussion}" I did damage to his blocker so he takes 48 which is then doubled to 96. Now the trample I have 12 p/t and the blocker has a p/t of 8 so 4 goes over which doubles to 8 which then goes 16 then 32 with enchantments so all together do I do 128 and get 128 life or did we all mess up some of the cards meanings??????
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Alright, I'm going to try this one on myself...
Gisela is a 6/6, despite damage multiplication, you have to assign lethal damage before it gets multiplied. So assuming it is not monstrous, you must assign 4 to stormbreath. This leaves 2 left over damage. Stormbreath is pro white and Gisela is half white, so you will deal 0 damage to him no matte what. Because of the emblem you will have double strike, but stormbreath is still blocking so you must deal 4 damage again to him before you can trample over. So if I am correct, you are dealing 16 damage to the opponent during both first strike and regular damage. Giving you +32 life after all is said and done.
Edit: you will also gain one life due to path of bravery.
Edit2: if stormbreath was monstrous, you would have had to deal all the damage to it and no damage would be dealt whatsoever, other than the 3 damage stormbreath would deal to Gisela.
Repercussion is dealing no damage to the opponent because of the pro white, sorry to disappoint but you lost an epic amount of damage due to that one fact.
This is even worse for you than Anoobass said. You have 3 damage doubling affects for x8 damage and your opponent has x1 damage with all your abilities. Grisela does 6 pts of first strike damage to the (you said) 8/8 (7/7 would be monsterous) dragon. Pro white kicks in and reduces the damage to 0. Regular damage happens and again you do 0 damage to the dragon and the dragon now does 8 damage to Grisela. .{repercussion} now hits you for 8 damage leaving you at net -7 for the combat phase.
Quote from: Pleeb on November 10, 2013, 09:21:52 AM
This is even worse for you than Anoobass said. You have 3 damage doubling affects for x8 damage and your opponent has x1 damage with all your abilities. Grisela does 6 pts of first strike damage to the (you said) 8/8 (7/7 would be monsterous) dragon. Pro white kicks in and reduces the damage to 0. Regular damage happens and again you do 0 damage to the dragon and the dragon now does 8 damage to Grisela. .{repercussion} now hits you for 8 damage leaving you at net -7 for the combat phase.
Why would pro white reduce damage to 0? {Gisela} has trample.
Why is the dragon 8/8?
Quote from: Sardok on November 10, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Pleeb on November 10, 2013, 09:21:52 AM
This is even worse for you than Anoobass said. You have 3 damage doubling affects for x8 damage and your opponent has x1 damage with all your abilities. Grisela does 6 pts of first strike damage to the (you said) 8/8 (7/7 would be monsterous) dragon. Pro white kicks in and reduces the damage to 0. Regular damage happens and again you do 0 damage to the dragon and the dragon now does 8 damage to Grisela. .{repercussion} now hits you for 8 damage leaving you at net -7 for the combat phase.
Why would pro white reduce damage to 0? {Gisela} has trample.
Why is the dragon 8/8?
Pro white reduces the damage to zero because Grisela is a white creature. Trample doesn't come into play because you have to assign enough damage to destroy the blocking creature. Protection protects against DEBT (Damage, Enchanting, Blocking, and Targeting).
The dragon is 8/8 because the OP said so in his question.
Protection does not stop trample. Protectio. Prevents damage not the assigning of damage. When you move to assign damage yoh will assign lethal based on two factors: the creature's toughness and do yoh have deathtouch. After assigning damage is dealt at this point damage is prevented to the creature but it's protection can not protect you from the rest of the trample. In cases of double strike you have to assign lethal both times because every time you do the damage just gets prevented before moving to the next damage step.
In this particular case were assigning 6 damage to an 8 toughness creature, which because of protection, gets reduced to 0
If the creature didn't have protection, trample still wouldn't allow the first strike damage to hit the player because the damage assignment takes place before the damage multiplication.
Double strike, trample, double damage, double damage, whenever dealt then deal to controller,
So your 6/6 gets blocked by a 4/4.
During the first damage step {Gisela, Blade of Goldnight} will assign damage due to doible strike. I will assume you want to trample over and choose to assign the minimum amount to the blocker so you can trample over for 2.
The blocker has pro white and the damage is prevented. The player does not have pro white and takes 2 doubled by furnace making 4, doubled by gisela to 8, doubled with violence to 16.
Then you move to regular combat where both creatures will assign damage since gisela has double strike and therefore can assign again. The damage was previously prevented so you have to assign 4 to the dragon again but this time the dragon assigns 4 to your angel.
Gisela's damage works the same as last time ending in 16 damage. She also prevents half of the damage dealt to her so she has 2 damage marked on her, furnace doubles to 4, and violence doubles to 8 and she dies.
Total damage to player 32
Stormbreath 0
Gisela 8
If the stormbreath is monstrous then no damage is dealt to the player.
RESOLVED
You also take 32 due to repurcussion. Gisela got hit for 8, so you take 8, halved by gisela, doubled by the furnace, then by the violence. I believe
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on November 10, 2013, 01:40:41 PM
You also take 32 due to repurcussion. Gisela got hit for 8, so you take 8, halved by gisela, doubled by the furnace, then by the violence. I believe
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