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Boros Heroic 60 cards, 0 sideboard 4 {Temple of Triumph} 7 {Plains} 5 {Mountain} 4 {Sacred Foundry} 20 lands 3 {Favored Hoplite} 2 {Anax and Cymede} 4 {Fabled Hero} 4 {Phalanx Leader} 3 {Banisher Priest} 2 {Aurelia, the Warleader} 18 creatures 2 {Messenger's Speed} 2 {Ordeal of Heliod} 4 {Ethereal Armor} 2 {Coordinated Assault} 4 {Boros Charm} 2 {Anger of the Gods} 2 {Ordeal of Purphoros} 4 {Pacifism} 22 other spells Sideboard Notes: Still fine tuning. Any ideas welcome.

Looks solid but why {Banisher Priest}?

Also I'm going to use this on Friday btw lol

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
Looks solid but why {Banisher Priest}?

Banisher priest seems like an odd fit but it helps me keep my opponents bombs off the field and if there's a phalanx leader out there the priest ends up rather large. Basically I had to find a way to slow/stop my opponents board, banisher and pacifisms do that for me...and surprisingly every time I draw one of the two I'm happy about it.

Also did you cut {Dragon Mantle} and {Chosen by Heliod} I thought you said that you had them
in there

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 06:43:49 PM
Also did you cut {Dragon Mantle} and {Chosen by Heliod} I thought you said that you had them
in there

I honestly want them both in there and will be trying to find a way to fit them. The card draw from both helps so much in this deck

Also {dragon mantle} on {fabled hero}....dirty.

Ya it looks like a sick deck. Just wondering how often you get Aurelia out?

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
Ya it looks like a sick deck. Just wondering how often you get Aurelia out?

A lot surprisingly. But only If it last that long. When she hits the board it's been game over almost every time. She won't be coming out as I haven't lost a game yet when she's out. Mana is nvr a problem in this deck bc the mana curve is sick. Average mana cost in this deck is like 2.16 so 2 Aurelia's aren't too bad in here. Also I almost cut  {Anax and Cymede} but didn't bc I like targeting him late game for trample, noticed most people don't expect me to target him after targeting phalanx over and over.

Ya I'm actually really liking your build!

Have you thought about {Gods Willing} for some protection?

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 06:59:44 PM
Have you thought about {Gods Willing} for some protection?

Yes I tried it as a 4 of at first...since it'll keep my creature alive and trigger heroic and after play testing it went to a 3 of then a 2 of and then none lol. It's helpful at times but in the long run it didn't make the cut. It's place was taken by {boros charm}. Btw {boros charm} is BOSS in this deck...that instant speed double strike is insane...and it's other abilities...shut your lips.

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 07:09:09 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 06:59:44 PM
Have you thought about {Gods Willing} for some protection?

Yes I tried it as a 4 of at first...since it'll keep my creature alive and trigger heroic and after play testing it went to a 3 of then a 2 of and then none lol. It's helpful at times but in the long run it didn't make the cut. It's place was taken by {boros charm}. Btw {boros charm} is BOSS in this deck...that instant speed double strike is insane...and it's other abilities...shut your lips.

Yep {Boros Charm} is one of the top charms out there.

Also what about {Legion's Initiative} it's probably not a good fit but it's a small pump and protection if you don't draw charms

I tried {legions initiative} as a 2 of but it rarely helped me. I always ended up wishing I drew something else. The flicker effect is nice but you also have to remember that once you do it you'll lose all enchantments and +1/+1 counters.

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
I tried {legions initiative} as a 2 of but it rarely helped me. I always ended up wishing I drew something else. The flicker effect is nice but you also have to remember that once you do it you'll lose all enchantments and +1/+1 counters.

Which is why I didn't think that it would be bad. What else have you tried/changed?

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
I tried {legions initiative} as a 2 of but it rarely helped me. I always ended up wishing I drew something else. The flicker effect is nice but you also have to remember that once you do it you'll lose all enchantments and +1/+1 counters.

Which is why I didn't think that it would be bad. What else have you tried/changed?

Quite a few things. {sphere of safety} for one, ended up not needing it. {boros reckoner} ended up being ok at best. {mizzium mortars} was in there for a bit bc if you get to overload it it can clear boards, if not you can {pacifism} or {banisher priest} their remaining creatures. Uhmmmm there's more lol but I've been cutting it down for like 3 weeks so I don't remember everything.

Edit: oh yeah {indestructibility} and {gift of immortality} were also ok at best. Most of the time I'm swinging for pretty big chunks of damage before I even want to play them. Other cards were normally the better play at the time.
{magma jet} was in there. I'm still debating on whether I should run them or not. It's 2 dmg is ok but scry 2 helped a lot.

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 07:42:52 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
I tried {legions initiative} as a 2 of but it rarely helped me. I always ended up wishing I drew something else. The flicker effect is nice but you also have to remember that once you do it you'll lose all enchantments and +1/+1 counters.

Which is why I didn't think that it would be bad. What else have you tried/changed?

Quite a few things. {sphere of safety} for one, ended up not needing it. {boros reckoner} ended up being ok at best. {mizzium mortars} was in there for a bit bc if you get to overload it it can clear boards, if not you can {pacifism} or {banisher priest} their remaining creatures. Uhmmmm there's more lol but I've been cutting it down for like 3 weeks so I don't remember everything.

Lol well again I really like this deck. I have all but the lands and Aurelia so I'm going to try it!

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 07:45:48 PM

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 07:42:52 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 07:30:50 PM

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
I tried {legions initiative} as a 2 of but it rarely helped me. I always ended up wishing I drew something else. The flicker effect is nice but you also have to remember that once you do it you'll lose all enchantments and +1/+1 counters.

Which is why I didn't think that it would be bad. What else have you tried/changed?

Quite a few things. {sphere of safety} for one, ended up not needing it. {boros reckoner} ended up being ok at best. {mizzium mortars} was in there for a bit bc if you get to overload it it can clear boards, if not you can {pacifism} or {banisher priest} their remaining creatures. Uhmmmm there's more lol but I've been cutting it down for like 3 weeks so I don't remember everything.

Lol well again I really like this deck. I have all but the lands and Aurelia so I'm going to try it!

Hope it works out for ya. I took 2nd at FNM with it only 75% complete.

Think it'll work with 12 Plains 8 Mountain? Maybe ill pick up a player of {Temple of Triumph} but they are not worth $5 but mana fixing is mana fixing also do you find the temples too slow for you?

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 07:53:42 PM
Think it'll work with 12 Plains 8 Mountain? Maybe ill pick up a player of {Temple of Triumph} but they are not worth $5 but mana fixing is mana fixing also do you find the temples too slow for you?

I worried about this too. But it hasn't hurt me much yet. It's better later in the game then drawing a plains or on turn 1 when you don't have a 1 drop. Like I said mana hasn't been an issue so far. Even the shocks haven't hurt me much {ordeal of Heliod} fixes that.

Edit: oh and yes it'll work fine without any non basic. It's just fast. I originally tried it with all basics and it was just a tad slower when I needed a certain color of mana and didn't have it.

True ok sweet thanks man and great build +1 :D

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 08:11:54 PM
True ok sweet thanks man and great build +1 :D

Let me know what you think. Oh a little tip, the ordeals trigger before blockers are declared. This comes into play more with {ordeal of purphorous} as it can get rid of a pesky chump blocker or hit your opponent for 3 extra damage.

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 08:19:13 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 02, 2013, 08:11:54 PM
True ok sweet thanks man and great build +1 :D

Let me know what you think. Oh a little tip, the ordeals trigger before blockers are declared. This comes into play more with {ordeal of purphorous} as it can get rid of a pesky chump blocker or hit your opponent for 3 extra damage.

I play GW Hexproof I know how the Ordeals work. BUT say you have 1 counter on a creature with 2 ordeals and swing only one falls off not both :)

Say you hav 4 untapped mana. On your board you have a {phalanx leader} with {messenger speed} and 1 +1/+1 counter on him from the messenger speed targeting him. You cast 1 of each ordeals on him. That'll put him to 3 +1/+1 counters but the ordeals trigger on attacking putting him at 5 +1/+1 counters and both ordeals trigger making you gain 10 life and dealing 3 damage to whatever before blockers are declared. So yes they both trigger at the same time.

Different than my scenario say you have an {Anax and Cymede} with 1 counter on it and a Ordeal of Heliod say. And then you put an Ordeal of Purpjoros on. And swing don't you choose what resolves first? Bc my thinking was that you swing oooooohhhhhh now I get it lol my bad

You got it now? Since both trigger at the same time I believed you'd choose which would resolve first. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 02, 2013, 08:56:30 PM
You got it now? Since both trigger at the same time I believed you'd choose which would resolve first. Correct me if I'm wrong.

No you're right lol I just confused myself.

I think for what you'd use it for {boros charm} > {legions initiative} your permenant tokens will be stronger than anything that enchant provides.

Quote from: DirtyMustachio on November 03, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
I think for what you'd use it for {boros charm} > {legions initiative} your permenant tokens will be stronger than anything that enchant provides.

Elaborate please?

What's your SB like?

Quote from: Mattao19 on November 03, 2013, 10:34:21 AM
What's your SB like?

This is what I'd like help on. Any ideas? Oh and have you played with the deck at all?

Not yet I was thinking:

3x {Pithing Needle} for AETHERLING/PWs
2x {Last Breath} for Voice and MoW
4x {Gods Willing} for control
4x {Lightning Strike} for aggro
2x something lol

Maybe 2x {Mizzium Mortars}?

I do like mizzium mortars. It won me a game or 6 when play testing.

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 03, 2013, 11:00:31 AM
I do like mizzium mortars. It won me a game or 6 when play testing.

Lol nice so what do you think of the SB?

I like it but I'd have to play test it. I'm all about play testing lol

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on November 03, 2013, 11:05:38 AM
I like it but I'd have to play test it. I'm all about play testing lol

Same lol

Bump for sideboard suggestions

-2 {messenger's speed}
+2 {legion loyalist}

The deck looks pretty solid but 18 creatures is cutting it pretty close. Giving enough testing you will undoubtably run into games where you lose because you cant find enough creatures. They might not happen often but that is not something I would be comfortable leaving to chance.

Quote from: Kaleo42 on November 09, 2013, 01:36:30 PM
-2 {messenger's speed}
+2 {legion loyalist}

The deck looks pretty solid but 18 creatures is cutting it pretty close. Giving enough testing you will undoubtably run into games where you lose because you cant find enough creatures. They might not happen often but that is not something I would be comfortable leaving to chance.

That's funny I've been using 2 loyalist in my sideboard, in case this happens. I always have trouble taking out {messenger speed} bc that trample is dirty on {fabled hero}. I will play test it this way tonight and see how it does. Now I have had issues with no creatures but normally I still have no problem bc I'll have pacifism or a burn or 2

I was play testing  a very cheap modified version of this deck and I tried out {Akroan Hoplite} and he actually worked fairly well