I'm trying to brew a modern deck that is completely new!!!! I want to be able to beat the top decks! I need some help from some of you lovely people!!!!
What are the top modern decks?
And what are their weaknesses?
Thank you in advance for the help!
Eggs.
Weaknesses- Excessive patience, RDW.
Esper control.
Weaknesses- Hexproof, eggs.
There's also American Control/Flash. A big contender in my meta.
When the deck I've got at the moment hurts eggs as it contains {Bloodchief Ascension}! And is aggro!
This the deck in running at the moment!
Quote from: Teysa karlov on April 29, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
3 {Mutavault}
16 {Swamp}
3 {Cavern of Souls}
22 lands
4 {Vampire Nocturnus}
4 {Kalastria Highborn}
4 {Blood Seeker}
4 {Vampire Nighthawk}
4 {Bloodghast}
20 creatures
2 {Liliana of the Veil}
4 {Mindcrank}
4 {Victim of Night}
4 {Thoughtseize}
4 {Bloodchief Ascension}
18 other spells
Sideboard
4 {Gatekeeper of Malakir}
4 {Go for the Throat}
4 {Captivating Vampire}
3 {Vampire Hexmage}
15 sideboard cards
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Quote from: Potticus on October 26, 2013, 06:02:25 PM
I wish people would quit listing eggs as a top deck. It is not, and it's even worse with the second sunrise banning. Building a deck around that will make you much more weak against decks that matter. The top three decks in the format in no order are jund, Melira pod, and red white blue control. As seen in the protour these decks are very good and require a good pilot.
As to pod being weak to stopping it's tutoring, it absolutely smashes face as an Aggro deck, they reported more pod games were won by beating down than by combo ing at one of the large ptq events.
Blame Stanislav Cifka. He made people think that eggs is all powerful. I hate eggs. A lot.
Quote from: Potticus on October 26, 2013, 06:19:46 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on October 26, 2013, 06:05:37 PM
Quote from: Potticus on October 26, 2013, 06:02:25 PM
I wish people would quit listing eggs as a top deck. It is not, and it's even worse with the second sunrise banning. Building a deck around that will make you much more weak against decks that matter. The top three decks in the format in no order are jund, Melira pod, and red white blue control. As seen in the protour these decks are very good and require a good pilot.
As to pod being weak to stopping it's tutoring, it absolutely smashes face as an Aggro deck, they reported more pod games were won by beating down than by combo ing at one of the large ptq events.
Blame Stanislav Cifka. He made people think that eggs is all powerful. I hate eggs. A lot.
It's a terrible deck that loses to many different cards that all the main decks run. Counters, thoughtseize, etc
It depends in the deck, since in some everything is replaceable ;)
How come no one pointed out {G}{W} Hexproof Auras?!? It took second place at the 2013 World Championship.
Tempo possibly. It sounds like the top decks are a mix of fast and slow, so you should probably make a deck that can keep up with both
Quote from: Potticus on October 26, 2013, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Taysby on October 26, 2013, 08:00:12 PM
^ this. Mainly because no one wanted any more people running it, so they never brought it up. Hexproof is so annoying.
That's not true at all. Reid duke himself said the only reason he won with boggles is because the meta was totally ignoring it. He said boggles is only good in the right meta.
what archetypes are the current meta ignoring?
Hexproof's recent resurfacing has made sure everyone has {Back to Nature} or something like it in their sideboard, and eggs is just dead.
Jund and UWR are reliable decks, but they are also pretty much always expected to show up at any modern event. Affinity, Melira Pod, Kiki Pod, Scapeshift, and Living End do well where they aren't expected, so know your meta. Also, Melira-Pod is probably the best of the five since it is the most versatile.
Quote from: Taysby on October 27, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
{stifle} would work, right? And who runs {faerie macabre}?
{Stifle} isn't legal in modern, but yeah only Living End runs {Faerie Macabre}. All I have to say is {Rest in Peace}.
With no UR Twi in the mention being the winner of GP Antwerp....
I find how all of you guys keep mentioning decks, but a lot of them suck.
The biggest deck right now is BGx Midrange. Affinity follows that up along with Melira pod. Kiki Pod is also a contender and so is Scapeshift and Living End. UWR has be severely lacking to get top 8 in many GPs because most of control in moden literally sucks and it is the only strong contender that is weak to Jund, Living End, RG Tron and outshadowed by Twin decks. There is no paper in this Rock vs Scissor meta.
Quote from: Potticus on October 28, 2013, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 04:39:57 PM
With no UR Twi in the mention being the winner of GP Antwerp....
I find how all of you guys keep mentioning decks, but a lot of them suck.
The biggest deck right now is BGx Midrange. Affinity follows that up along with Melira pod. Kiki Pod is also a contender and so is Scapeshift and Living End. UWR has be severely lacking to get top 8 in many GPs because most of control in moden literally sucks and it is the only strong contender that is weak to Jund, Living End, RG Tron and outshadowed by Twin decks. There is no paper in this Rock vs Scissor meta.
This isn't even close to true. UWR isn't winning because people can't pilot it. Look at the pros who all pilot it and win, 3 pros top 8'd with it in the world championships. Melira pod, kiki pod, and splinter twin are all pretty solid combos and way ahead of living end and scapeshift. Jund and junk decks are probably the best right now, but that's what you get when you cram that much value into a deck. As for affinity, I only have one friend who plays it, I haven't checked on how it's currently doing.
Affinity recently won a gp, actually. UWR is still reasonably solid, but it is so expected by everyone that it never gets past most sideboards. The pros all chose to play consistent decks over ones like melira-pod which are more dynamic in that they win more, but if they lose, they lose badly.
16% of the mtgo online scape is due to BGx. Just because you think it is the best doesn't mean it isn't. It is taking the biggest space.
Affinity topped 8 in both and the last GP, while also winning that one. It is also 11% of the MTGO meta.
Pod in general keep being strong contenders due to their same record being 10% of the mtgo meta while also being very strong as combos and toolbox decks.
Tron is up to 11% percent while also taking strong records at gps coming in second and also taking places at the last Modern GP.
Twin took this GP in first while also being polited by another, showing 2 decks in top 8
Living End has been getting second place and also appeared twice in the top 8 this last gp, while still being strong on mtgo.
Scapeshift was really not needed for me to mention, but it still very alive.
UWR control is decent, I do agree. It is just weak in this meta. Midrange keeps it at bay enough for it to be weakened in proper results and those who do pilot it also leave out many plays crucial to winning or are just weakened by their bad match ups too much. There are more bad matchups for it than there a good ones.
Quote from: Potticus on October 28, 2013, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 04:39:57 PM
With no UR Twi in the mention being the winner of GP Antwerp....
I find how all of you guys keep mentioning decks, but a lot of them suck.
The biggest deck right now is BGx Midrange. Affinity follows that up along with Melira pod. Kiki Pod is also a contender and so is Scapeshift and Living End. UWR has be severely lacking to get top 8 in many GPs because most of control in moden literally sucks and it is the only strong contender that is weak to Jund, Living End, RG Tron and outshadowed by Twin decks. There is no paper in this Rock vs Scissor meta.
This isn't even close to true. UWR isn't winning because people can't pilot it. Look at the pros who all pilot it and win, 3 pros top 8'd with it in the world championships. Melira pod, kiki pod, and splinter twin are all pretty solid combos and way ahead of living end and scapeshift. Jund and junk decks are probably the best right now, but that's what you get when you cram that much value into a deck. As for affinity, I only have one friend who plays it, I haven't checked on how it's currently doing.
Those pros also ended up getting 25th and 56th in the last gp, along with the world championships being 42% UWR out of those 16 players in suspect of midrange and combo, mostly pod.
If you want to build an anti meta deck, be sure to put {Stony Silence} in your sideboard. It makes affinity auto scoop (they can't even activate modt of their mana sources, or equip {Cranial Plating}!), and it slows pod and even tron down. Though I wouldn't play it versus tron, most likely. Just a thought.
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.
I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but might I suggest you try dispensing advice with a bit more diplomacy? You obviously know the format and that knowledge is greatly appreciated.
If you have seen Key & Peele, allow me to play the role of Luther, the anger translator. You know what you are talking about, but you don't have to be a .rearexit. about it.
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.
I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but might I suggest you try dispensing advice with a bit more diplomacy? You obviously know the format and that knowledge is greatly appreciated.
Duly noted. Sorry if I come across like a jerk a lot.
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.
I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but might I suggest you try dispensing advice with a bit more diplomacy? You obviously know the format and that knowledge is greatly appreciated.
Duly noted. Sorry if I come across like a jerk a lot.
It's all good, just you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar :) . On a tangent, we actually just tested this in a chemotaxis lab for AP Biology...
I have noticed that a lot of decks are vulnerable to {Blood Moon}...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 31, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
I have noticed that a lot of decks are vulnerable to {Blood Moon}...
The decks that are always have removal for it. Abrupt Decay also pushes for it not to be it as much except for affinity and UR Delver.
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...
I like trying to find a "best" modern deck, but truthfully ally the ones meantioned have strengths and weaknesses. They all have the potential to do very well, it's such a grey area because the meta is so diverse. (Which is why I love modern, you really never know who you will be matched up against).
Thanks to ooze and deathrite BGx got a significant boost and the meta will find ways to correct this.
Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...
You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.
Funny how Mill gets consistent 3-x results on dailies. But actsully, esper is really just that weak in modern that it is weaker than mill. Maybe not Stoneblade though.
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on November 06, 2013, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...
You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.
Funny how Mill gets consistent 3-x results on dailies. But actsully, esper is really just that weak in modern that it is weaker than mill. Maybe not Stoneblade though.
I wouldn't call 2 top-4's in the last 4 months consistent...
source: http://www.mtgtop8.com/search
Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...
You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.
I have milled some one completely on turn 4 before!
Quote from: abstractApathist on November 06, 2013, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on November 06, 2013, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...
You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.
Funny how Mill gets consistent 3-x results on dailies. But actsully, esper is really just that weak in modern that it is weaker than mill. Maybe not Stoneblade though.
I wouldn't call 2 top-4's in the last 4 months consistent...
source: http://www.mtgtop8.com/search
Still better result than Esper Control, so my point still stands.