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Title: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 12:57:51 AM
I'm not sure what's standard :o and I'm gonna try game day tomorrow :P so I was wondering if crypt ghast was standard? I was looking through my deck and googled it and I think it is :o if so I may stick a few in :3
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 12:59:31 AM
{crypt ghast}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 01:00:50 AM
Yes. Any cards from m14, return to ravnica, gatecrash, dragon's maze, and theros are standard legal.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:01:49 AM
Ok great! Thanks a ton! Last minute deck changes before tomorrow xD I'm glad someone was awake lol
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 01:06:09 AM
Quote from: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:01:49 AM
Ok great! Thanks a ton! Last minute deck changes before tomorrow xD I'm glad someone was awake lol
No problem. Would you mind posting a decklist?
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:30:54 AM
I'm still changing it around o.O and I don't know if it's that great :P
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 01:32:19 AM
Which is why you should show it to us for us to help improve it!
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:36:10 AM
Ok just let me go through all the other cards I have to see what I can put in :) now that I know what's standard :P before it was only m14 and theros. I didn't know what else was standard
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:49:10 AM
Ok so what I have so far would be

3 {disciple of phenax}
1 {dark prophecy}
2 {strionic resonator}
4 {gray merchant of asphodel}
1 {whip of erebos}
1 {erebos god of the dead}
1 {liliana's reaver}
2 {ogre slumlord}
2 {abhorrent overlord}
2 {staff of the death magus}
2 {2 elixir of immortality}
2 {read the bones}
2 {cutthroat maneuver}
2 {march of the returned}
2 {tenacious dead}
2 {night wing shade}
2 {dark revenant}
2 {deathgaze cockatrice}
3 {balisca screecher}
2 {viper kiss}
4 {crypt ghast}
3 {rescue from the underworld}
1 {grim return}
2 {quag sickness}
2 {baleful eidolon}


I'm kinda questioning read the bones and cutthroat maneuver as well as some of my flyers. Most are there just for flying defense. I'm hoping to make use of the devotion thing that came out so I have abhorrent overlord, gray merchant, desciple of phenax. I stuck the resonator in there to activate the devotion effect twice and my revives, specifically rescue from the underworld, to activate them more. Rescues from the underworld is good because ill sacrifice a devotion guy then being him plus another devotion guy so this revive activates 2 devotion creatures.

The rest of the creatures in there are mostly for devotion but some nice little effects to make having them out worth something lol like the ogre slumlords, some deathtouch and the crypt ghast is there for tons of mana, he's helped me a ton in my other black deck :D I wish I could use that one xD
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 01:51:54 AM
Deck is really inconsistent. I'd go black control-devotion. Needs {doom blade}. Death gaze cockatrace isn't the greatest, lemme keep looking.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:53:16 AM
Ok I have plenty of doom blade although is there another I could use incase I go against a black deck??
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:55:23 AM
And if I'm doing control, are there any permanents that are good for that? Sorceries and instants aren't good for devotion
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 01:55:37 AM
I'll actually just list some really good cards. Also, maybe branch into a second color? Maybe green and go {G}{B} rock?

{doom blade}
{whip of erebos}
{read the bones}.

My current standard deck is junk rites. Quite fun! Junk is pretty good right now, control, rites, or midrange.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 01:58:29 AM
I have no idea what junk or rites decks are :P
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:00:03 AM
Control is fun though :) I currently have a standard deck in progress but that one won't be done in time for tomorrow :P me and a buddy of mine are working on an elite arcanist deck and its tricky to figure out :o we nearly got it! But until then a quick black deck (I like black) for this game day :D
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:00:26 AM
Junk={B}{G}{W}. Rites=put fatties from your yard onto the board. Example: {lotleth troll} + {obzedat's aid} + {ashen rider}.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:06:36 AM
Oh alright
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:08:41 AM
If you go {B}{G} rock, I'd run:
{reaper of the wilds}
{abrupt decay}
{lotleth troll}
{putrefy}
{pithing needle}
{golgari charm}
{lifebane zombie}
{desecration demon}
{sylvan caryatid}
{Kalonian hydra}
{hero's downfall}
{vraska the unseen}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:18:08 AM
I don't have most of those but looking through my white cards it looks like there's quite a bit of life gain and lifelink. A little extort with white/black cards combined with the life steal in black. I could throw in a bit of that stuff I suppose so I can still play aggressively with my devotion guys, gain a little life then revive the to activate the devotion effect again
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:19:20 AM
Do you have kik? Mine's moocow4u2
It's a little easier to know when I get a reply :P I don't need to constantly reload
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:20:14 AM
Quote from: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:18:08 AM
I don't have most of those but looking through my white cards it looks like there's quite a bit of life gain and lifelink. A little extort with white/black cards combined with the life steal in black. I could throw in a bit of that stuff I suppose so I can still play aggressively with my devotion guys, gain a little life then revive the to activate the devotion effect again
Sounds good. New list:

{doom blade}
{grey merchant of asphodel}
{read the bones}
{sins colecter}
{ashen rider}
{gift of orzhova}
{tithe drinker}
{hero's downfall}
{angel of serenity}
{teysa, envoy of ghosts}
{obzedat, ghost council}
{thoughtseize}
{lifebane zombie}
{high priest of penance}
{merciless eviction}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:27:52 AM
Ok I think I have most of those
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:29:43 AM
Get back to me on which of these and how many of them you have.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:34:46 AM
Also {blind obedience}/{imposing sovereign}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:36:47 AM

doom blade-too many
grey merchant of asphodel-8
read the bones-4
sins colecter-2
ashen rider-0
gift of orzhova-1
tithe drinker-4
hero's downfall-1
angel of serenity-0
teysa, envoy of ghosts-2
obzedat, ghost council-0
thoughtseize-2
lifebane zombie-0
high priest of penance-0
merciless eviction-0
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:38:21 AM
Oh with crypt ghast though, from experience in my other black deck :P some of the bigger removal spells aren't much of a problem. I have {liturgy of blood}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:40:31 AM
Oh some nice lifesteal

{vizkopa guildmage}
{dept to the deathless}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:41:33 AM
Sure. Throw in ghats as well.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:51:47 AM
So put the above cards in a deck, but run 2 merchants, and maybe {orzhov charm}.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 02:55:55 AM
I don't think I have the charm
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 02:58:13 AM
It's fine. Tell me how many slots you have left once you put those cards into a deck.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:11:36 AM
1 {erebos god of the dead}
1 {whip of erebos}
4 {crypt ghast}
2 {disciple of phenax}
2 {baleful eidolon}
2 {abhorrent overlord}
2 {strionic resonator}
2 {scholar of athreos}
2 {staff of the death magus}
1 {teysa envoy of ghosts}
1 {elixir of immortality}
4 {tithe drinker}
1 {hero's downfall}
3 {liturgy of blood}
2 {viper's kiss}
1 {gift of orzhava}
1 {diabolic tutor}
2 {thought seize}
1 {vizkopa guildmage}
4 {read the bones}
1 {triad of fates}
1 {dark prophecy}
1 {kingpins pet}
3 {basilica screecher}
1 {grim return}
3 {rescue from the underworld}
2 {march of the returned}

I need to get rid of a few. I always find this part tricky. My card count is a little high
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 03:25:35 AM
Un out have 51 cards, and we need to cut that to 36..

Get rid of a scholar, both staff, the elixir, 2 rescues, a resonator, 2 liturgy, a disciple, a drinker, a read the bones, an eidolon, a march,
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:37:29 AM
Could there be something better than a revival to remove? I'm hoping to use revivals to keep activating devotion abilities
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 03:39:16 AM
Your devotion isn't super high, so you won't want to cast it till late game, and you'll have drawn into some recursion by then.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:39:54 AM
Alright
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 03:40:21 AM
-1 screecher
+2 merchant
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 03:42:09 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 03:40:21 AM
-1 screecher
+2 merchant
Remove 1 vipers kiss and the gift of orzhova, and I think you'll be good to go. You gonna use a sideboard?
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:42:36 AM
I have no idea how or what really a sideboard is :o I've never really used one before
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 03:46:07 AM
Quote from: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:42:36 AM
I have no idea how or what really a sideboard is :o I've never really used one before
I haven't either :D

A sideboard is 15 or less cards which you may swap into your deck between matches/games. You usually use them to help you against certain matchups. For example, parts of your sideboard would be more recursion, {ratchet bomb} against tokens, {pithing needle} against ætherling, that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:48:09 AM
Ooooh ok :) maybe not this time. Ill think about it with the next deck I make up :) I only plan to use this deck once or twice. Just for game day really, I'm working on an arcanist deck with my buddy so when that's done I'll be usin that :P I may sideboard that with some other instants
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 19, 2013, 03:50:18 AM
Kk. You might want to play test a few games to see how it works. Mana-wise, use as many godless shrines, guildgates, and temple of silence as possible.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:53:39 AM
I think I only have 1 standard double land, temple of silence. I may need to go with a few shimmering grottos and maybe basic lands for the rest :) I shouldn't need too many white mana in it anyway. The highest white cost I see is 2 white on {debt to the deathless}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 19, 2013, 03:59:05 AM
Oh actually I did have orzhav gates
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: MuggyWuggy on October 19, 2013, 06:36:38 PM
Black devotion.... {nightveil specter}???
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Steerpike on October 19, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
He does indeed give you 3 worth of devotion toward black as well as blue, if that's what you're asking
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 20, 2013, 01:04:02 AM
This deck was for game day. If he ran them, so he did. It doesn't really matter though.
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 25, 2013, 12:39:27 AM
So how'd this deck go? Results?
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 25, 2013, 07:08:57 AM
Won 1
Lost 2
Tied 1

I put a little too many plains in it and I gotta find a way to keep my little guys alive :P I played one deck, red/blue, he kept shocking my little guys and killing them all off :P ill be trying again this Saturday after a few changes
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 26, 2013, 12:36:05 AM
Quote from: Moocow4u2 on October 25, 2013, 07:08:57 AM
Won 1
Lost 2
Tied 1

I put a little too many plains in it and I gotta find a way to keep my little guys alive :P I played one deck, red/blue, he kept shocking my little guys and killing them all off :P ill be trying again this Saturday after a few changes
Good to hear you won a match though!
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 26, 2013, 01:10:50 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on October 26, 2013, 12:36:05 AM
Quote from: Moocow4u2 on October 25, 2013, 07:08:57 AM
Won 1
Lost 2
Tied 1

I put a little too many plains in it and I gotta find a way to keep my little guys alive :P I played one deck, red/blue, he kept shocking my little guys and killing them all off :P ill be trying again this Saturday after a few changes
Good to hear you won a match though!

Lol yep :D I wanna try that deck again but I also wanna make a heroic/assassin deck for Saturday lol I like the idea behind it if I can actually keep my assassins alive xD I have my cards chosen for that, just gotta pick some lands :D red/black with 1 green black card so I need a little bit of green
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 26, 2013, 01:15:04 AM
I forget the name of the card, it's red but one combo I have in it is many of them have death touch and this card gives them the ability of I think 1 colorless, 1 red, tap: creature deals 1 damage to target creature or player. So that with deathtouch... Awesomeness!!! XD then my {agent of the fates} and all my enchantments and spells. {Vraska the unseen} once the board is cleared of enemy creatures :P
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 26, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
Enchantments to give them first strike (with deathtouch :D) intimidate, can't be blocked by less than 2 creatures I think, trample/haste (good for Vraska's assassins :P even 1 damage will win}
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on October 26, 2013, 01:17:22 AM
{Titan of eternal fire}?
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 26, 2013, 01:18:13 AM
That's the one! I guess there's no colorless cost... Great!:D less to pay! More deaths
Title: Re: Crypt ghast standard?
Post by: Moocow4u2 on October 26, 2013, 01:19:39 AM
I just need to figure out my lands now and ill test it out with my buddy tomorrow