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Title: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Paraluke on October 13, 2013, 09:13:10 AM
I thought I saw this before but couldn't find it so I'll ask.

Theros has these cards "up to two target creatures", must they target different creatures?

If it is, how would mtg phrase it if they allow targeting the same creature?

Example: {cutthroat maneuver}
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Vyse on October 13, 2013, 09:32:20 AM
 {Common Bond} is one that lets you target the same creature, but the phrase up to two only lets you target one once, and another if you want too .
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Paraluke on October 13, 2013, 09:40:17 AM
Ah, that is the one. Thought I saw that before.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on October 13, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Something to note here.  With cards like common bond. Even though it has 2 instances of target, if it targets one creature twice it will only trigger heroic once
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Pirate John on October 13, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
Quote from: Giggleflat on October 13, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Something to note here.  With cards like common bond. Even though it has 2 instances of target, if it targets one creature twice it will only trigger heroic once

That's cuz they worded Heroic all funny :/
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Spikepit on October 14, 2013, 12:49:14 AM
 {Akroan Crusader} for reference
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: gtfotis on October 14, 2013, 02:08:48 AM
Quote from: Pirate John on October 13, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
Quote from: Giggleflat on October 13, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Something to note here.  With cards like common bond. Even though it has 2 instances of target, if it targets one creature twice it will only trigger heroic once

That's cuz they worded Heroic all funny :/
Whenever you cast "a spell" as opposed to "Whenever <card name> is the target of a spell"

That would just be op :3
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Pirate John on October 14, 2013, 02:47:36 AM
Quote from: gtfotis on October 14, 2013, 02:08:48 AM
Quote from: Pirate John on October 13, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
Quote from: Giggleflat on October 13, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Something to note here.  With cards like common bond. Even though it has 2 instances of target, if it targets one creature twice it will only trigger heroic once

That's cuz they worded Heroic all funny :/
Whenever you cast "a spell" as opposed to "Whenever <card name> is the target of a spell"

That would just be op :3

Not really... It'd be a repeat of {wild defiance} decks
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Destore117 on October 14, 2013, 03:08:41 AM
So what if the card says put counters on a  target creature then on another target creature
Can you target the same creature twice?
{Strength of the Tajuru} as an example (couldn't find the actual card I was looking for)
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: rarehuntertay on October 14, 2013, 03:58:12 AM
I would say no, based that it says choose another target.
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Pirate John on October 14, 2013, 04:09:22 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on October 14, 2013, 03:08:41 AM
So what if the card says put counters on a  target creature then on another target creature
Can you target the same creature twice?
{Strength of the Tajuru} as an example (couldn't find the actual card I was looking for)

Use of the word "another" means there will be more than one target.

You might be thinking of {common bond}. Common bond can target the same creature twice
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Pleeb on October 14, 2013, 05:56:53 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on October 14, 2013, 01:23:44 PM
Just to double check, common bond triggers heroic on 1 creature once or on 2 creatures once but not 1 creature twice? Yes?

Correct
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Pirate John on October 14, 2013, 06:04:38 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on October 14, 2013, 01:23:44 PM
Just to double check, common bond triggers heroic on 1 creature once or on 2 creatures once but not 1 creature twice? Yes?

Heroic only triggers once per spell, no matter how many times the spell targets that creature. It's all in the wording. Compare it to {Wild Defience} to see the difference. If you {common bond} a creature twice while Wild Defience is out, you'll reap 2x the rewards
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on October 15, 2013, 01:38:51 AM
Actually you only get one trigger from {common bond} with {wild defiance} it makes note of that in the rulings for wild defiance
Title: Re: "Up to two target creatures..."
Post by: Pirate John on October 15, 2013, 02:46:35 AM
Quote from: Giggleflat on October 15, 2013, 01:38:51 AM
Actually you only get one trigger from {common bond} with {wild defiance} it makes note of that in the rulings for wild defiance

Noted.
Bogus ruling on the FAQ. Feels like Wizards got one wrong >.>