{Force of Savagery} has 0 toughness, right? So, the ruling says "Triggered abilities won't save it." And since {Master Biomancer} and things like that are triggered, won't it die as a state-based action no matter what? Indestructible is only lethal damage/destroy and doesn't stop this guy.
5/1/2007
Yes, Force of Savagery has 0 toughness. It will be put into its owner's graveyard as a state-based action immediately upon entering the battlefield unless an effect puts it onto the battlefield with a counter on it (such as {Chorus of the Conclave} would) or a static ability boosts its toughness (such as {Glorious Anthem} would). A triggered or activated ability that boosts toughness won't have its effect fast enough to save it.
Quote from: DylanW18 on October 10, 2013, 05:48:13 PM
A triggered or activated ability that boosts toughness won't have its effect fast enough to save it.
This was what confused me, since the Conclave things are ETB trigger abilities :/
The difference is in the wording.
"~~~" enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter.
And
Whenever "~~~" enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
I believe the first one happens as it is being cast, not after it resolves
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 10, 2013, 05:51:36 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on October 10, 2013, 05:48:13 PM
A triggered or activated ability that boosts toughness won't have its effect fast enough to save it.
This was what confused me, since the Conclave things are ETB trigger abilities :/
Chorus of the Conclave is a cast trigger, not an ETB trigger. It will enter the battlefield with the +1 counters already on it (the card even specifies so). That's the difference. The key words are "when you cast" and "enters with."
Edit: Dylan beat me to it :P
It happens as it resolves but before it is put onto the battlefield.
Alright thanks people!
Woo! I was just guessing! Lol thanks for confirmation Gorzo :p
I'm confused. Isn't {master biomancer} a static ability?
Yes. Master biomancer would also save it.