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Title: Casting and Countering
Post by: kforte318 on October 10, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
This came up during a game I was playing with a friend. If a spell is countered, does it still count as being cast at all? He had out a  {Guttersnipe} which deals damage when certain spells are cast. I countered a spell with a {Negate}. Does Guttersnipe still deal damage? I guess the question could be reduced to: is a spell considered "cast" as soon as it leaves the players hand, or does it need to resolve?
Title: Re: Casting and Countering
Post by: xStrayKnightx on October 10, 2013, 11:30:19 AM
If a spell or summon is countered, the countered spell doesn't take effect. Thus the whole point of a counter spell.

If a permanent is countered, it goes to the graveyard.
If a temporary card (like an instant or sorcery) is countered, it goes to the graveyard without resolving, meaning the countered spell doesn't take effect.
Title: Re: Casting and Countering
Post by: Mattao19 on October 10, 2013, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: kforte318 on October 10, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
This came up during a game I was playing with a friend. If a spell is countered, does it still count as being cast at all? He had out a  {Guttersnipe} which deals damage when certain spells are cast. I countered a spell with a {Negate}. Does Guttersnipe still deal damage? I guess the question could be reduced to: is a spell considered "cast" as soon as it leaves the players hand, or does it need to resolve?

Yep Gutty still deals 2. This rule also applies to {Door of Destinies} and the Heroic ability.

Hope this helps :D

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Title: Re: Casting and Countering
Post by: Vyse on October 10, 2013, 11:32:37 AM
A spell is still cast if you pay the mana for it, even when it's countered. It just doesn't resolve if it gets countered, but all effects when cast still occur such as guttersnipes eff.
Title: Re: Casting and Countering
Post by: Mattao19 on October 10, 2013, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on October 10, 2013, 11:30:19 AM
If a spell or summon is countered, the countered spell doesn't take effect. Thus the whole point of a counter spell.

If a permanent is countered, it goes to the graveyard.
If a temporary card (like an instant or sorcery) is countered, it goes to the graveyard without resolving, meaning the countered spell doesn't take effect.

Although true the spell is still cast therefore Gutty deals damage.

You're correct with whenever X enters the battlefield Y happens like  {Purphoros, God of the Forge} and say I cast my {Legion Loyalist} it has to hit the battlefield. So if you {Essence Scatter} my Loyalist doesn't hit the battlefield therefore Purphoros' ability doesn't trigger and no damage is dealt.
Title: Re: Casting and Countering
Post by: Kaleo42 on October 10, 2013, 01:09:28 PM
You cant counter something that hasnt been cast yet. All abilities are written as cause and effect and if guttersnipe needed a spell to resolve he would say so, but he only needs the card to be cast.