So don't ask how this happened, but somehow I wound up with 2 {ordeal of heliod} and an {ordeal of nylea} on 1 creature and then swung with him. Am I correct when I say that only 1 of those ordeals would be sacrificed, and that I choose which one?
No they all get sacrificed. It says on the card when the creature has 3 counters sac Ordeal. So even if the creature is monstrous or happened to get 3 counters from somewhere else you have to sac the ordeal(s).
But it's great bc say you do have a creature with 3 counters you can enchant the creature then get the benefit of the ordeal
If the creature has three +1/+1 counters on it (which I don't see how it wouldn't), all of your Ordeals would trigger. You'd have to sacrifice them all.
But with how they are worded don't they put a counter on then check, all in a single resolution, so the first 2 wouldn't see 3 counters
It checks all the time.
Say you swing with a 3/3 creature (with no counters) and its enchanted by 2 ordeals. The creature is now a 5/5, then say you use {Common Bond} the creature is now a 7/7 with 4 counters and as soon as the creature gets 3 or more counters you must sac it.
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 03, 2013, 11:01:32 AM
But with how they are worded don't they put a counter on then check, all in a single resolution, so the first 2 wouldn't see 3 counters
Actually, you are right on this one. Based on the wording, each card will individually add a counter, check for three, and finish resolving. Any other way would have the trigger interrupting each other's resolution, which is against the rules. Good call!
They all give the counter but once there's 3 or more they fall off. So if you have a creature with 2 counters and 3 ordeals swing. The creature gets 3 more counters and then you sac the ordeals
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
They all give the counter but once there's 3 or more they fall off. So if you have a creature with 2 counters and 3 ordeals swing. The creature gets 3 more counters and then you sac the ordeals
In that situation, yes. But in his question, the creature didn't have any counters on it.
If they had 3 or more counters, would the ordeal wait until the attack to add/sac or just sac instantly?
Sac after declared attack. And that's true! Good call my bad I just misread the question
The ability on the ordeal only triggers when the creature that is enchanted with it attacks. Since sacrificing the ordeal is part of the resolution of its triggered ability, it will not happen simply because the creature that it is enchanting has 3 +1/+1 counters on it.
sweet! Glad I checked, this actually comes up often when running on budget
Just going to second what Coffee said. Because the 'sacrifice this' is part of the triggered ability, it'll only check when that ability resolves. In this case, you'll essentially just choose which Ordeal you want to go off (since you can stack the triggers to have that one resolve last). If it were worded something like...
"When enchanted creature attacks yaddayaddayadda
[line brake, next ability]
When enchanted creature has three or more +1/+1 counters on it, sacrfice ~.
When you sacrifice ~, do this"
It would work like you wish it did. However, it would also be insanely powerful, because then you could just enchant the same creature with three or more counters and immediately get the sacrifice trigger. I'm betting they originally wrote it like that, but changed it for power reasons.
Quote from: Noblellama on October 03, 2013, 01:17:05 PM
So I used a {fabled hero} last Friday and tossed 2 {ordeal of Heliod} on it and attacked! did I do right to instant sac them?
If so, the next turn I cast an {ordeal of nylea} and did not sac until I attacked! is that also correct?
Your fabled hero gets 2 counters from heroic. As it attacks 1 ordeal triggers, giving 1 counter, then sacrificed. The second ordeal triggers as well, giving 1 counter, then sacrificed.
And yes, the sacrifice is checked only after the counter is added when you declare the attack.
So your hero gets 1 more counter due to heroic when ordeal of nylea is cast, then when it attacks it gets 1 more, then is sacrificed.
Quote from: Noblellama on October 03, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
Yeah, he was big and it was fun.
How do I give a white critter trample in theros? Anything?
Off the top of my head, no clue from Theros. But Selesnya Charm does the job and adds even more damage!
{Unflinching Courage} also works
Mono white would be hard pushed though you can easily make something first strike and lifelink and +1 + 0 {swift justice}
Or lifelink flying {gift of orzhova}
Or if final blow, {Brave the Elements} through the defense line!!!