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Title: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 09:07:10 AM

USA USA

75 cards, 15 sideboard


3 {Hallowed Fountain}
2 {Steam Vents}
7 {Island}
2 {Sacred Foundry}
7 {Plains}
5 {Mountain}

26 lands


3 {Omenspeaker}
3 {Artisan of Forms}
2 {Anax and Cymede}
3 {Daxos of Meletis}

11 creatures


2 {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}
4 {Gods Willing}
3 {Boros Charm}
4 {Magma Jet}
3 {Izzet Charm}
3 {Azorius Charm}
4 {Swan Song}

23 other spells


Sideboard

1 {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}
4 {Dispel}
3 {Dissolve}
4 {Chained to the Rocks}
3 {Glaring Spotlight}

15 sideboard cards



Notes:
Just brewing up a possible deck
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 09:11:27 AM
I was just pondering ideas on a new deck that i wanted to build... Ideas, suggestions are welcome. I just threw this together in a matter of minutes. The point was to control the board while stealing or cloning their spells/creatures. The scry should help with setting up cards to draw and the charms are in there for their versatility.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 09:18:47 AM
I wouldn't play {Swan Song} here.  Your only way of dealing with the token is burning it, effectively 2-for-1 ing yourself.  I would either main board {Dissolve} or play {Lightning Strike} instead.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
Artisan doesn't really flow with the deck considering you're only play Legendaries (see new legend rules) and Omenspeaker (enter the battlefield effect)
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
Artisan doesn't really flow with the deck considering you're only play Legendaries (see new legend rules) and Omenspeaker (enter the battlefield effect)

It can copy opponents creatures.  However, I agree, I'm not a fan of the card.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
Artisan doesn't really flow with the deck considering you're only play Legendaries (see new legend rules) and Omenspeaker (enter the battlefield effect)

It can copy opponents creatures.  However, I agree, I'm not a fan of the card.

Card just got infinitely better, but it still seems ify in the deck
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:41:18 PM
I just put it it in there in case  I couldnt remove their bombs... It also gives me one then. What would i put in place of them then?
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.

Why don't you run {Curse of the Swine} according to you...  Isn't it better? (Sarcasm)
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 01:12:58 PM
I could run both of them, but i like the fact that Artisan is a creature... I should just throw Aurelia in there heh..
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.

Why don't you run {Curse of the Swine} according to you...  Isn't it better? (Sarcasm)

It's situational, like most cards. If I'm playing weenies, it'd make more sense to play def sphere. If I'm playing midrange creatures, I can just use swine curse.

What if I need to hit 2 creatures with different names? Lol.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.

Why don't you run {Curse of the Swine} according to you...  Isn't it better? (Sarcasm)

It's situational, like most cards. If I'm playing weenies, it'd make more sense to play def sphere. If I'm playing midrange creatures, I can just use swine curse.

What if I need to hit 2 creatures with different names? Lol.

But in the UW control u still said swine was better
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.

Why don't you run {Curse of the Swine} according to you...  Isn't it better? (Sarcasm)

It's situational, like most cards. If I'm playing weenies, it'd make more sense to play def sphere. If I'm playing midrange creatures, I can just use swine curse.

What if I need to hit 2 creatures with different names? Lol.

But in the UW control u still said swine was better

Det sphere fits this deck's curve better. Besides, this deck would have problems dealing with the resulting swine.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.

Why don't you run {Curse of the Swine} according to you...  Isn't it better? (Sarcasm)

It's situational, like most cards. If I'm playing weenies, it'd make more sense to play def sphere. If I'm playing midrange creatures, I can just use swine curse.

What if I need to hit 2 creatures with different names? Lol.

But in the UW control u still said swine was better

Det sphere fits this deck's curve better. Besides, this deck would have problems dealing with the resulting swine.

But it is easier to deal with in a control deck?  In control decks you need to wipe the field, not leave more attackers and effectively 2 for 1 yourself.  Does this deck not have just as many answers?  Magma jet, all the charms...  Just as many answers as a control deck it seems to me.  And You said that you have to manage ur mana effectively by casting it for 3 and getting rid of their biggest threat.  That sounds like the same curve as Detention Sphere.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.

Why don't you run {Curse of the Swine} according to you...  Isn't it better? (Sarcasm)

It's situational, like most cards. If I'm playing weenies, it'd make more sense to play def sphere. If I'm playing midrange creatures, I can just use swine curse.

What if I need to hit 2 creatures with different names? Lol.

But in the UW control u still said swine was better

Det sphere fits this deck's curve better. Besides, this deck would have problems dealing with the resulting swine.

But it is easier to deal with in a control deck?  In control decks you need to wipe the field, not leave more attackers and effectively 2 for 1 yourself.  Does this deck not have just as many answers?  Magma jet, all the charms...  Just as many answers as a control deck it seems to me.  And You said that you have to manage ur mana effectively by casting it for 3 and getting rid of their biggest threat.  That sounds like the same curve as Detention Sphere.

You played standard pre-rotation, right? Jund played all those different value cards. Swine Curse can reduce multiple threats where detention sphere can only hit 1 threat at a time
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on September 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Pirate John on September 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 26, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
The fact i can change it at instant speed is nice too... I think that was the other thing i was thinking about.

{Detention sphere} can handle most bombs really nicely, atleast for a bit.

Why don't you run {Curse of the Swine} according to you...  Isn't it better? (Sarcasm)

It's situational, like most cards. If I'm playing weenies, it'd make more sense to play def sphere. If I'm playing midrange creatures, I can just use swine curse.

What if I need to hit 2 creatures with different names? Lol.

But in the UW control u still said swine was better

Det sphere fits this deck's curve better. Besides, this deck would have problems dealing with the resulting swine.

But it is easier to deal with in a control deck?  In control decks you need to wipe the field, not leave more attackers and effectively 2 for 1 yourself.  Does this deck not have just as many answers?  Magma jet, all the charms...  Just as many answers as a control deck it seems to me.  And You said that you have to manage ur mana effectively by casting it for 3 and getting rid of their biggest threat.  That sounds like the same curve as Detention Sphere.

You played standard pre-rotation, right? Jund played all those different value cards. Swine Curse can reduce multiple threats where detention sphere can only hit 1 threat at a time

If you are casting Curse for 5-6 you could have dealt with those creatures in many other ways.  I have been playing standard for 3 rotations btw, I know all the decks played.  And they are dealt with, not reduced.  I can guarantee you Curse does not even see fringe play at a competitive level.  It isn't a terrible card and it is fun to use at FNM, it just depends where the deck creator wants to go with the deck.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 26, 2013, 09:17:41 PM
Medomai!!!! And maybe a {Runechanters Pike}?
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 08:19:39 AM
Ruinchanter is rotating out (i believe) and Im not a huge fan of Medomai... His ability is good but 7 mana for just a body on his first turn is meh... In reality i actually have considered putting Aurelia in here
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 27, 2013, 08:24:21 AM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 08:19:39 AM
Ruinchanter is rotating out (i believe) and Im not a huge fan of Medomai... His ability is good but 7 mana for just a body on his first turn is meh... In reality i actually have considered putting Aurelia in here
I think no Aurelia, but a {Aurelia's Fury} or a few. And {Silence} and {Elitr Arcanist}- great combo!
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 08:34:57 AM
A-Fury wouldnt be too bad... I like aurelia for her ability...the other combo you mentioned, im not a huge fan of
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 27, 2013, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 08:34:57 AM
A-Fury wouldnt be too bad... I like aurelia for her ability...the other combo you mentioned, im not a huge fan of
Why? It's a real pain to play against!
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 08:46:22 AM
It would just take up too much space in the deck... I want to try and keep it like this asmuch as i can... I mean i gotta play test it yet and make tweaks to it, but i dont want to redo everything.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 27, 2013, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 08:46:22 AM
It would just take up too much space in the deck... I want to try and keep it like this asmuch as i can... I mean i gotta play test it yet and make tweaks to it, but i dont want to redo everything.
Makes sense. Still, maybe some sideboard tweaking for mill? That was a reoccurring problem for me... Until I ran mill... But maybe sideboard in some {Psychic Spiral}?
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 09:20:49 AM
I dont like mill though haha...thats not my win con
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 27, 2013, 09:29:14 AM
It's not, but if you go AGAINST mill, they'll mill you down a bunch, then you {Psychic Spiral} to save yourself, and it gives them a REALLY slim chance of winning, trust me. It's really more protection than anything.
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Estel2931 on September 27, 2013, 10:19:23 AM
People dont use mill decks where i am...
Title: Re: USA USA
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 27, 2013, 10:34:37 AM
Eh, just in case. It helps to be prepared for ANYTHING!