Im thinking of stopping standard, since it get expensive with rotations. So I'm thinking of going into modern and legacy, that way there will be less updates to decks. Thinking for modern running mono-blue fish and for legacy mono-red burn...
Merfolk are fun. Legacy is all Stoneblade at this point, very high cost. But there are some staples that will never change in price - like Original duals that in the $100's.
Sure beats dropping $80 on a playset of {Sphinx's Revelation} that won't be worth much in a year.
EDH is becoming expensive too, but it's only saving grace is that you only need 1 copy.
I still have my playsets of volcanic islands, underground sea, taigas and plateaus in storage back home... Next time I'm in Illinois I should go pick them up...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 12:58:31 PM
I still have my playsets of volcanic islands, underground sea, taigas and plateaus in storage back home... Next time I'm in Illinois I should go pick them up...
...and then ship them to Agrus Kos' house.
But seriously, standard can get expensive but I find the best thing to do is to go to drafts and prereleases. You have the chance to grab all the cards you need and win your money and more back if you win. I respect your decision though, I recently bought an EDH deck because at least that I can play forever.
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2013, 01:56:18 PM
This is why I love casual
Play whatever with whoever
Especially if you have a small group of friends you play with constantly
That's how it was with me but I have been playing longer that my friends so I had the good old stuff like {Gilded Drake} and {Urza's Incubators} and they kept complaining that I was winning because I was using older stuff so now I only use Standard decks against them.
I am kind of in the same boat. I'm stopping standard constructed play. I'll still go to drafts at my LGS because it will help me get more cards to trade for EDH cards. But as for standard constructed, well I don't think it will ever be like scars block. As magic goes on, creatures get better and spells get worse. My idea of balance is winning with decent creatures by backing them up with decent spells. Not winning with broken creatures because wizards printed 10 broken creatures that you can put in your deck.
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2013, 02:04:13 PM
I had a friend complain about that, and he said his house his rules and started trying to twist how the rules applied to things as well as what editions could be used. We don't play at his house anymore.
My wife said I used to over correct him when he was wrong, I told her I am protecting the integrity of the game, there can be no house rules for how something works in the game at one location vs another...
Rant, sorry
Have you never played monopoly, i dont know a house hold who plays by the game rules
lol
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 23, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
...As magic goes on, creatures get better and spells get worse. My idea of balance is winning with decent creatures by backing them up with decent spells. Not winning with broken creatures because wizards printed 10 broken creatures that you can put in your deck.
I've heard this is true of Theros pre-release. It was absolutely nothing but creatures turned sideways and drafting bombs.
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2013, 02:04:13 PM
I had a friend complain about that, and he said his house his rules and started trying to twist how the rules applied to things as well as what editions could be used. We don't play at his house anymore.
My wife said I used to over correct him when he was wrong, I told her I am protecting the integrity of the game, there can be no house rules for how something works in the game at one location vs another...
Rant, sorry
I agree. You can't just cater to yourself by restricting what others can do! However I agree some house rules are fine, like "no mass land destruction" or "no infinite combos". I would never dream of making such a rule myself (for me if it's legal in the format, there's no reason to complain!), however I respect the choice others make to disallow such things. Now when people say stuff like "no counterspells" or "no haste", that's where I draw the line. I must say though, one house rule I WILL have if I host a playgroup is that the old legend rule applies. The new one, in my humble opinion, kills flavor, as well as the funcionality of {Clone} effects. Don't even get me started on plainswalkers...
Quote from: Dudecore on September 23, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 23, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
...As magic goes on, creatures get better and spells get worse. My idea of balance is winning with decent creatures by backing them up with decent spells. Not winning with broken creatures because wizards printed 10 broken creatures that you can put in your deck.
I've heard this is true of Theros pre-release. It was absolutely nothing but creatures turned sideways and drafting bombs.
100% true. I made a Heroic deck for the prerelease that banked on beefing up Heroic creatures and dropping balanced bombs like {Hundred-Handed One} and got 2nd out of 31. In a draft afterward, tried drafting {B}{U} Control and failed miserably. There really aren't any kill spells, there are a lot of counter but most are in the rare or uncommon slot and very targeted or conditional ("counter target blue spell" or "counter target spell unless its controller pays 1") so I didn't counter a single thing all night and got like 8th out of 10.
EDH has house rules. Our house rules are:
1) Hybrid mana is not multi-colored. If it can be played in a mono-color deck in another format - it can be played in your Commander deck.
2) You cannot produce mana outside of your commanders color identity, so if you want to put a Black card in your mono-white deck - by all means. But you cannot activate it.
Like if you wanted to use {Crystal Shard} in your deck that doesn't run blue, by all means, you must use the other activation cost then.
3) No grudges.
Rule #1: No touching off the hair or face and that's IT!
Quote from: Dudecore on September 23, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 23, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
...As magic goes on, creatures get better and spells get worse. My idea of balance is winning with decent creatures by backing them up with decent spells. Not winning with broken creatures because wizards printed 10 broken creatures that you can put in your deck.
I've heard this is true of Theros pre-release. It was absolutely nothing but creatures turned sideways and drafting bombs.
Pretty much. I went UW and split with another UW player. Both of us just had bombs and bestow creatures. A few situational/poor counterspells and bounce spells but mostly bombs.
That being said, I think theros is taking a step in the right direction in terms of slowing down standard. Rav was such a pain to play in, honestly. Sure they are printing above-chrve creatures still, but thundermaw is now stormbreath. Thragtusk is nowhere to be found. Not a huge improvement in the creature department (fleecemane and mistcutter WTF), but I think standard went from "bad" to "bad but fixable".
Quote from: Taysby on September 23, 2013, 02:19:26 PM
{annul} is the only reasonable counter.
Anyways, I would stop playing standard, but 3 out of every 4 weeks at my lgs for fnm is standard, so I kinda have to keep up on standard to play at fnm. If it was modern every other week instead of once a month, I would focus on modern and just have a crappy standard deck, but alas, modern is only once a month.
You guys are lucky, we don't have any non-standard tournaments at my LGS. (with the exception of Prereleases)
Everyone says standard is slowing down but let me tell you that my Heroic deck is a pretty consistent turn 4-5 win. Just a heads up, if you think you can safely play control from now on.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 23, 2013, 02:19:44 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 23, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 23, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
...As magic goes on, creatures get better and spells get worse. My idea of balance is winning with decent creatures by backing them up with decent spells. Not winning with broken creatures because wizards printed 10 broken creatures that you can put in your deck.
I've heard this is true of Theros pre-release. It was absolutely nothing but creatures turned sideways and drafting bombs.
Pretty much. I went UW and split with another UW player. Both of us just had bombs and bestow creatures. A few situational/poor counterspells and bounce spells but mostly bombs.
That being said, I think theros is taking a step in the right direction in terms of slowing down standard. Rav was such a pain to play in, honestly. Sure they are printing above-chrve creatures still, but thundermaw is now stormbreath. Thragtusk is nowhere to be found. Not a huge improvement in the creature department (fleecemane and mistcutter WTF), but I think standard went from "bad" to "bad but fixable".
Sounds logical. Wizards is always working 2 years in advanced. The emphasis on creature combat is something new that they're leaning toward. Growing pains essentially. They've gotta take risks with creatures like {Thragtusk}.
I just hate standard money sink. Playset of {Huntmaster of the Fells} was almost $100, now it's worth $30. And the move toward printing staples at Mythic is hard to not be angry about.
We do know that Wizards has nailed the degenerate combo spells. It's focus is on creatures. We also know that counter spells butt hurt tons of players, always have. What I don't get is players who are fine with you playing a creature - then having it be destroyed immediately - but hate having the spell not resolve. It's twisted logic on the part of magic players.
Rotation is never fun, definitely try and piece together a modern deck (fishies are great because you don't need fetches). I've had to make very minor updates to my decks over their lifetimes. The sideboards change more than the main deck :P
I'll still buy new stuff (after all, I do have one card from every product released), but as for competitive standard, no. My LGS does modern 3rd or 4th Friday every month, which I think will be fun
Only one small input there is one coompetitive archetype in standard that is able to survive rotations with small maintanance expanses...;) RDW... You can keep it really competitive with really low cost...;)
Quote from: Dudecore on September 23, 2013, 11:51:20 AM
Legacy is all Stoneblade at this point, very high cost.
I don't know about your local meta, but that definitely isn't the case around me or in recent SCG opens.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 23, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 12:58:31 PM
I still have my playsets of volcanic islands, underground sea, taigas and plateaus in storage back home... Next time I'm in Illinois I should go pick them up...
...and then ship them to Agrus Kos' house
If I get them, I'll let you know. Maybe we can work out a cheap trade or something. After all, I did get them back when they were $10 a piece...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 23, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 12:58:31 PM
I still have my playsets of volcanic islands, underground sea, taigas and plateaus in storage back home... Next time I'm in Illinois I should go pick them up...
...and then ship them to Agrus Kos' house
If I get them, I'll let you know. Maybe we can work out a cheap trade or something. After all, I did get them back when they were $10 a piece...
Mhmm if you would have spare Tundra for trade ( preferebly - for cash ) let me know...:D
Quote from: whitedrake on September 23, 2013, 03:36:41 PM
Only one small input there is one coompetitive archetype in standard that is able to survive rotations with small maintanance expanses...;) RDW... You can keep it really competitive with really low cost...;)
Now that I think about it, my RTR-block deck is RDW splash green for {Ghor-Clan Rampager} and {Domri Rade}. Shouldn't be too hard to update with a few Theros cards... Imagine domris fight with Purphorus...
Quote from: Dudecore on September 23, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 23, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
...As magic goes on, creatures get better and spells get worse. My idea of balance is winning with decent creatures by backing them up with decent spells. Not winning with broken creatures because wizards printed 10 broken creatures that you can put in your deck.
I've heard this is true of Theros pre-release. It was absolutely nothing but creatures turned sideways and drafting bombs.
That is pretty much what limited is for every set? Theros is one of the best limit formats I have played and I have been in sense shards of alara, this set alone is amazing has infinite flavor and really neat cards. I agree with everyone that standard is going to bad but it has been for a while now after zendikar the format made a turn for the worse/best, players who are competetive and want to be spell slinging not dude swinging wont like standard which is okay play modern its a super diverse format, standard is absolutely perfect for new players and that is what the format is designed to be for. Nothing is wrong with theros its just as you get better at magic standard isnt what you want to be doing.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 23, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 12:58:31 PM
I still have my playsets of volcanic islands, underground sea, taigas and plateaus in storage back home... Next time I'm in Illinois I should go pick them up...
...and then ship them to Agrus Kos' house
If I get them, I'll let you know. Maybe we can work out a cheap trade or something. After all, I did get them back when they were $10 a piece...
I am interested in this as well :O
Quote from: gtfotis on September 24, 2013, 06:48:50 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 23, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2013, 12:58:31 PM
I still have my playsets of volcanic islands, underground sea, taigas and plateaus in storage back home... Next time I'm in Illinois I should go pick them up...
...and then ship them to Agrus Kos' house
If I get them, I'll let you know. Maybe we can work out a cheap trade or something. After all, I did get them back when they were $10 a piece...
I am interested in this as well :O
I can give you things....lots of shiny, magical things. In fact, I'll be willing to give you my heart for those things. Then we can both have things :D
Wow. Everyone wants dualies. The earliest ill be able to get them is Christmas time. Then maybe I'll entertain offers :) lol
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 24, 2013, 08:05:18 PM
Wow. Everyone wants dualies. The earliest ill be able to get them is Christmas time. Then maybe I'll entertain offers :) lol
I NEED ALL THE THINGS! :D
Quote from: LadyGrixis on September 24, 2013, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 24, 2013, 08:05:18 PM
Wow. Everyone wants dualies. The earliest ill be able to get them is Christmas time. Then maybe I'll entertain offers :) lol
I NEED ALL THE THINGS! :D
Oooooo.... Shiny things!!! Lol
Things things things. You know those things. Just let me know whatchuwantis?