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Title: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: ibtrickey on September 17, 2013, 05:06:16 AM
 {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}
How does the protection work? And for life link does it only work when attacking or also defending?
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Gorzo on September 17, 2013, 06:11:33 AM
Lifelink works whenever the creature deals damage. Any time a creature with lifelink deals damage, its controller gains that much life.

Blood Baron's protection works just like any other protection - it cannot be...

Damaged by,
Enchanted by,
Blocked by, or
Targeted by

any sources it is protected from. In his case, anything white (ex. {Intrepid Hero}) or anything black. (Ex. {Murder})
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Spikepit on September 17, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
To further explain with an answer to a question my students persistently ask, a creature with protection from a colour/creatures will still deal damage but won't take it.
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Rob on September 17, 2013, 07:39:49 PM
Is damage stil dealt to a creature with protection? I'm thinking about Lifelink....
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Gorzo on September 17, 2013, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: Rob on September 17, 2013, 07:39:49 PM
Is damage stil dealt to a creature with protection? I'm thinking about Lifelink....

Damage from a protected source is prevented, so no.

Unless you {Skullcrack} or something, then a protected creature can be damaged (if you can find a way to do so without targeting or blocking or anything else that protection prevents you from doing).
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Moocow4u2 on September 17, 2013, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 17, 2013, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: Rob on September 17, 2013, 07:39:49 PM
Is damage stil dealt to a creature with protection? I'm thinking about Lifelink....

Damage from a protected source is prevented, so no.

Unless you {Skullcrack} or something, then a protected creature can be damaged (if you can find a way to do so without targeting or blocking or anything else that protection prevents you from doing).

Like if it blocks you :D
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Steerpike on September 17, 2013, 11:58:18 PM
Oh that's interesting... Protection from damage of a certain source can be nullified like that?
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 18, 2013, 01:06:20 AM
Kinda like blocking {malignus} with a pro-red, all you get is sadness
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Gorzo on September 18, 2013, 01:25:49 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 18, 2013, 12:40:10 AM
Indeed,once the crack hits the table, nothing can reduce damage until end of turn, including protections.

At least I think that's how it works...

Correct, assuming "hits the table" means "resolves" ;)

Just be prepared for your opponent to call a judge if you pull Skullcrack shenanigans to damage a protected creature that's blocking you. I'd estimate that 9/10 players will think you're wrong or bs-ing them, but it really does work that way :P that's getting into multiple layers of rules, each of which tend to confuse a lot of players. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see something like this on a rules advisor/judge test.
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: DylanW18 on September 18, 2013, 01:42:07 AM
{Skullcrack} is target player.
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 18, 2013, 01:45:08 AM
Quote from: DylanW18 on September 18, 2013, 01:42:07 AM
{Skullcrack} is target player.
Yes but other things on the card state that damage can't be prevented, which override part of the protection
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: DylanW18 on September 18, 2013, 01:49:11 AM
The part where damage is prevented in the clause of "Protection", yes, {Skullcrack} overwrites that section. So a {Loxodon Smiter} and {Blood Baron of Vizkopa} would trade
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Mattao19 on September 18, 2013, 03:31:05 PM
Can you just  {Trait Doctoring} to remove Pro White and Black to make it Pro Blue and Black?
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: DylanW18 on September 18, 2013, 03:35:52 PM
Yes you can
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Gorzo on September 18, 2013, 05:29:56 PM
Yep, but as a side note, you can't use trait doctoring to change pro-blue to a different color (because trait doctoring is blue and can't target the protected thing it's trying to alter.

Protection is fun. :P
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Mattao19 on September 18, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 18, 2013, 05:29:56 PM
Yep, but as a side note, you can't use trait doctoring to change pro-blue to a different color (because trait doctoring is blue and can't target the protected thing it's trying to alter.

Protection is fun. :P

Very true thanks. And don't worry I always use protection ;)
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: DylanW18 on September 18, 2013, 07:14:52 PM
Lulz
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 18, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 18, 2013, 08:42:50 PM
Woah, you just made the storm crow wince, you found a use for trait doctoring??!
There is no such thing as making {Storm Crow} wince! How dare you lie on this forum! I find you guilty of spreading lies against the Stormcroweithian Church, punishable by death. You may choose to repent though and and hope that {Storm Crow} takes mercy on you.
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on September 18, 2013, 09:54:25 PM
{storm crow} shows no mercy...
Title: Re: Blood baron of vizkopa
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 18, 2013, 09:57:20 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on September 18, 2013, 09:54:25 PM
{storm crow} shows no mercy...
But he can pray...