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Title: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: An Angry Fatman on September 03, 2013, 04:41:17 PM
Can you respond to a trigger of a planeswalker? Chandra on the field and he activates her +1 ability. Can I spear to kill her befor the ability resolves?
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 04:49:09 PM
Her +1 has already happened to make ability trigger.  Your spear can be put on stack, but it will only knock her down to 1 counter. Her +1 ability still goes off
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 04:56:31 PM
You asked a similar question about targeting a planeswalker.. It was explained their too.
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
I'm confused by your answer avenger. If its put on the stack, we can respond to it and if we respond to it....last in first out right?
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
Please tell us what Chandra your talking about too...
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
"I am the active player.

I summon Chandra.
I pass priority.
Opponent pass priority.
Chandra spell resolves.

Priority comes back to me.
I activate Chandra's +1 ability.
I pass priority.

By now Chandra would have 4 loyalty counters before opponent can react. "

Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Keyeto on September 03, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
I'm confused by your answer avenger. If its put on the stack, we can respond to it and if we respond to it....last in first out right?
Responding isn't the issue. You can respond all you want. The thing is, the loyalty counter will already be added (since adding the loyalty is the cost to activate the ability), and killing her won't stop the ability (since activated abilities are independent of their sources). Hopefully that cleared things up a bit.
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on September 03, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
I'm confused by your answer avenger. If its put on the stack, we can respond to it and if we respond to it....last in first out right?
Responding isn't the issue. You can respond all you want. The thing is, the loyalty counter will already be added (since adding the loyalty is the cost to activate the ability), and killing her won't stop the ability (since activated abilities are independent of their sources). Hopefully that cleared things up a bit.
Ah ok I guess that makes more sense when put that way. I didn't realize the +1 is basically the casting cost. Love this app, learn something new everyday.

+1 to you avenger.
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: An Angry Fatman on September 04, 2013, 02:12:28 AM
It wasn't explained in my other post that's why I posted this one. Thanks for the explanation though. Makes sense now
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Zellius on September 05, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
Think of it like this the +1 is the cost to activate the ability not the ability that is on the stack.
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Wingnut on September 05, 2013, 10:05:18 PM
This may be a stupid question but can you target a planes walker with a spear? It says player or creature, is a planes walker considered a player or creature? (I honestly ask because it came up today during a game).
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 10:39:22 PM
Quote from: CbStrad on September 05, 2013, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on September 05, 2013, 10:05:18 PM
This may be a stupid question but can you target a planes walker with a spear? It says player or creature, is a planes walker considered a player or creature? (I honestly ask because it came up today during a game).
Technically, no. Here's how it goes down:

1) Opponent has a Walker. Let's say {Domri Rade} at 3.
2) You throw {Searing Spear}. You can target a creature or a player. You target your opponent.
3) To target a Walker, state that you're redirecting the Spear to hit Dom after initially targeting your opponent.

Again. Technically, you can't target a Walker. You can still hit it, though

To simplify, yes. But what you have to say is "I am targeting you with the [burn spell] and redirecting the damage to [Planeswalker]"
Title: Re: PlAneswalkers loyalty counters
Post by: MementoMori on September 06, 2013, 12:04:22 AM
You actually don't have to say whether you're redirecting damage from a player to that player's walker until the spell or ability resolves.