Chandra comes out with three loyalty counters. I burn her with a {searing spear}. I was over ruled saying I cannot target a planeswalker. I know I can but I can't find the ruling. Please help
You're not targeting the planes walker. You're redirecting damage dealt to a player.
306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead. This is a redirection effect (see rule 614.9) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering replacement effects (see rule 616). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the redirection effect is applied.
306.8. Damage dealt to a planeswalker results in that many loyalty counters being removed from it.
306.9. If a planeswalker's loyalty is 0, it's put into its owner's graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
Thank you very much sir!!!
You cant cast the spear when Chandra enters. They get priority and can activate her ability placing or removing loyalty counter and then you may respond to that by spearing the walker.
Yea I know, just quick typing because we were waiting on the answer. My bad. I know she has to enter the battlefield to burn her
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:40:59 AM
I think what he is saying is that when your opponent casts Chandra ({Chandra, the Firebrand}, right?), the spell resolves. You cast {Searing Spear} targeting the player but choosing to redirect to Chandra (essentially burning Chandra). In response, your opponent has the option to activate one of her abilities. If he activates the +1 ability, it would go on the stack above your Spear. The stack would resolve form the top to bottom, meaning that Chandra uses her +1 ability going to 4 loyalty before your {Searing Spear} hits her, bringing her down to 1. Although if your opponent does not use her ability for whatever reason, she would die from the spear. It is also important to remember that he could also use any positive, 0, -1, -2 or -3 ability in response to your {Searing Spear} also. Hoped this cleared things up.
Not correct, until priority is passed to him (such as ending main phase 1) he cannot cast the searing spear. As well as PW abilities being sorcery speed, couldn't do it in response to the spear anyway. However we did go over this before in another thread in the the +1 loyalty goes on, then the ability goes on the stack, so the spear won't even kill the PW. Could I get ruling or moderator to confirm this?
Quote from: Anoobass on September 02, 2013, 03:46:02 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:40:59 AM
I think what he is saying is that when your opponent casts Chandra ({Chandra, the Firebrand}, right?), the spell resolves. You cast {Searing Spear} targeting the player but choosing to redirect to Chandra (essentially burning Chandra). In response, your opponent has the option to activate one of her abilities. If he activates the +1 ability, it would go on the stack above your Spear. The stack would resolve form the top to bottom, meaning that Chandra uses her +1 ability going to 4 loyalty before your {Searing Spear} hits her, bringing her down to 1. Although if your opponent does not use her ability for whatever reason, she would die from the spear. It is also important to remember that he could also use any positive, 0, -1, -2 or -3 ability in response to your {Searing Spear} also. Hoped this cleared things up.
Not correct, until priority is passed to him (such as ending main phase 1) he cannot cast the searing spear. As well as PW abilities being sorcery speed, couldn't do it in response to the spear anyway. However we did go over this before in another thread in the the +1 loyalty goes on, then the ability goes on the stack, so the spear won't even kill the PW. Could I get ruling or moderator to confirm this?
I believe you are correct. I never knew PW abilities were only Sorcery speed.
Yes the spear will not kill it if the player has declared using the +1 ability. Even though Chandra's ability is sorcery speed, the payment to activate the ability has to occur (in this case, "paying" by adding a loyalty counter), and hence Chandra would have already be at 4 loyalty counters with her ability in the stack before the player passes priority.
Quote from: Paraluke on September 02, 2013, 04:39:17 AM
Yes the spear will not kill it if the player has declared using the +1 ability. Even though Chandra's ability is sorcery speed, the payment to activate the ability has to occur (in this case, "paying" by adding a loyalty counter), and hence Chandra would have already be at 4 loyalty counters with her ability in the stack before the player passes priority.
But a player could not declare the use of an ability in response to the {Searing Spear}?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 04:43:24 AM
Quote from: Paraluke on September 02, 2013, 04:39:17 AM
Yes the spear will not kill it if the player has declared using the +1 ability. Even though Chandra's ability is sorcery speed, the payment to activate the ability has to occur (in this case, "paying" by adding a loyalty counter), and hence Chandra would have already be at 4 loyalty counters with her ability in the stack before the player passes priority.
But a player could not declare the use of an ability in response to the {Searing Spear}?
They could not. Unless they choose something different than immediately using a loyalty ability this should never happen.
I am the active player.
I summon Chandra.
I pass priority.
Opponent pass priority.
Chandra spell resolves.
Priority comes back to me.
I activate Chandra's +1 ability.
I pass priority.
By now Chandra would have 4 loyalty counters before opponent can react.